List Digest, Vol 45, Issue 11
Dr Carlos Raimundo
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Fri Mar 12 18:40:25 CST 2010
Two unique experiences with Dr Carlos A Raimundo and Rosemary Ruthven in the
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April 29-May 2
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CMA Leadership Conference May 31-June 3
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> 1. Re: Trans issues and psychodrama (Adam Blatner)
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> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:26:48 -0600
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> To: "Jacob Gershoni" <gej9001 at nyp.org>, "Regina Sewell"
> <reginasewell at optonline.net>
> Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org, Jen <jenniferwhitlocklpc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Trans issues and psychodrama
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> Hi Jacob, good for your paper on open sessions in the recently published
> british journal of psychodrama.. I would have preferred it to be in "our" USA
> journal, but it is still in hiatus. I am hopeful that it will get started up
> again. I've heard some rumblings to that effect.
> I hope my encouragement and feedback on open sessions material was
> helpful to you.
>
> About Transgendered and the idea of an apology. What an interesting
> challenge. My association to this sentence of yours (Feb 18) of yours: JG .
> . . I am still secretly waiting for a general announcement of apology form
> the once mighty psychoanalytic community for all the lives they ruined under
> the pretense of helping them.
>
> reply by AB: first: a book by Edward Dolnick titled : Madness on the
> Couch Blaming the victim in the heyday of psychoanalysis was published in 1998
> (Simon & Schuster).
> Second: I enjoy the history of medicine, and the history of
> psychotherapy, and have lived through the ups and downs of psychoanalysis, and
> now am riding the ups and downs of other fashions in psychotherapy and
> psychiatry.
> I want to point out, as this aforementioned book did, that in the
> 1950s psychoanalysis was the hottest frontier going! (Just as
> psychopharmacology was in the 1980s.)
> Hmm... but:
> New developments in science over-reach themselves---all of them do. The
> threat of nuclear annihilation was an extension of the work of Einstein,
> Oppenheimer and others in the 1930s and '40s. For a while in the later 19th
> century so many diseases were being attributed to the newly discovered realm
> of microbial infection that for several decades it obscured the recognition of
> vitamin deficiency diseases. . Now it's biological causes of psychiatric
> disorders that has arguably become a source of over-diagnosis and treatment.
> So, psychodramatically, I will take on the role of a fancy-pants head of
> psychoanalysis (as if this motley group of often conflicting sub-schools and
> sub-associations had a single spokesperson---which they clearly do not), and
> say. Soorrrry. Excuuuse me! No, let me re-do that. Okay, my bad. Oops. But at
> the time it seemed pretty plausible.
> Now, what? What would that apology, if it did appear in TIME magazine or
> on TV or something, what would that lead to? Who would do what differently?
> This is a straight question meant to lead us to imagine... a good sociodrama,
> so to speak.
>
> To me, history continues to show the pattern of overshoot, of
> over-estimating. And I wonder, for example, if in any ways we in psychodrama
> may fall prey to this pitfall. But even knowing about this danger, I see my
> own life and future generations overshooting, under-shooting, what in
> artillery is called "bracketing," trying to get closer to the most practical
> truth.
>
> At any rate, this is a truly useful category for our continued growth,
> consciousness-raising, etc. What do your fellow mental health professionals,
> your fellow psychodramatists, me, need to learn so that any residual
> stereotypes, misnuderstandings, bits of ignorance, can be rectified?
> Identifying a "what every professional should know about... " list might be
> useful.
> This also applies about other categories that we may still be learning
> about.
>
> Warmly, Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jacob Gershoni
> To: Regina Sewell
> Cc: list at grouptalkweb.org ; Jen
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Trans issues and psychodrama
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>
> Dear Regina, Jen and Grouptalkers,
>
>
> I am glad to see a discussion about psychodrama work with transgender
> persons.
>
> Since 1998 I have been leading weekly psychodrama groups for the LGBT
> community, and transgender issue are emerging in a more visible way each year.
> I also wrote about some of my experiences in a chapter in my book "Psychodrama
> in the 21st Century" although at the time of the publication I had only gay
> and lesbian clients in my groups. I happen to live and work in New York where
> there are many resources for this community. Last Sunday (Valentine Day) I
> lead a workshop at the LGBT Community Center in Manhattan and as usual used
> sociometry and psychodrama.
>
>
> It is good to know that other colleagues are working with this population.
> It's always been an honor to note that Moreno never joined the bandwagon of
> psychiatrists and mental health professionals who, in spite of no or little
> knowledge about this community, did not hesitate to pathologize, ostracize and
> oppress so many people.
>
> Regina, from your area code I assume that you work in Upstate New York. Is
> that so?
>
>
> One last comment on language: No need to add "ed" at the end of
> "transgender" just as you would not do it to other orientations ( LesbianED?
> HeterosexualED?).
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Jacob Gershoni, LCSW, CGP, TEP
>
> 19 West 34th Street, Ph floor
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> New York, NY 10001-3006
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> 212.947.7111
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> Email: JacobG12 at gmail.com
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> www.GrouPsychodrama.com
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> Regina Sewell wrote:
> Jennifer,
>
> I do a lot of work with the GLBT community and have worked a lot w/
> transgendered clients. Psychodrama is a great way to work w/ transgendered
> clients. In my experience, it allows them to explore their inner realities
> and dialogue with the people who people their lives. What I have learned with
> working with transgendered people is how much of gender is on one hand
> socially constructed and how on the other hand, perhaps because of this social
> construction, there is a continuum to which people feel drawn to roles. These
> words on the page sound like trite bullshit but I don't know how to share the
> depth in brief. In my experience, the core issues weren't so much about "who
> am I" but about "how do I deal with a world that is organized around binary
> gender/sex" I also know that it is important to proceed with caution -- to
> help the client sort out who they are and where they are on the contiunuum
> (modern biology seems to render the xy chromosome distinction as bullshit...
> because it's so much more complicated...... there's so much more going on...
> and there is more variation among men and among women than between men and
> women.... so it's more helpful -- to me -- to view it on a continuum ) and
> help them decide how they want to live and what they are willing to give up
> (men who want to live as women must give up a great deal of privilige and
> often times income, women who even take testosterone give up emotions and the
> sorts of tender connections women have). There are also guidlines about the
> surgury or even legel hormemone treatment process. There are a couple of
> books written in the last few years that describe this. Let me know if you'd
> like these resources and I'll see if I can find them. (they are in the
> basement at the moment and not super easily accessible.)
>
> also, if you have more questions or whatever -- not that i am the end all
> be all resource -- please feel free to contact me directly or even call me at
> 845-264-2287
>
> peace,
> regina
>
> From: Jen <jenniferwhitlocklpc at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: Gender Drama
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> I'm an advanced psychodrama student of psychodrama at HVPI, and I am
> forming a male to female transgender group as part of my practicum.
>
> I think psychodrama would be an excellent method for people who were
> essentially born into the wrong role, and experience distress at having
> to either pretend to be in a role that doesn't fit or suffer social
> consequences for acting in a role others see as inappropriate. I imagine
> there will be call for role rehearsal.
>
> I welcome ideas from those who have worked with this population in
> psychodrama, or those who have ideas for exploring gender identity. Many of
> the individuals in this group are only newly allowing themselves to act on
> their preferred roles as a woman, and this side of them is isolated and
> yearning for contact. It will be a rich group.
>
> Jennifer Whitlock
> Licensed Professional Counselor
> Budd Lake and Newton
> 973-222-3750
> www.JenWhitlock.com
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