neuroscience and social feeling

Tue Jan 26 13:36:12 CST 2010

  Anath,

Yes - totally.  It's not the robotic going through the motions, it is 
the "heart connection" the genuine caring that makes a difference.  I 
glomped that together with manners because to me, it is...  because I 
enter into manners from a deeper place.  Thanks for the clarification.

Peace,
regina

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:53 PM, thana ag wrote:

Hi Adam,Regina, and All
Interestingly the Kabballah states that love is found  the connection 
between us,and in order to feel connected we need to to act in a way 
that we will fell connected. "love thy neighbor" would mean feel 
connected to them. That pleasurable experience that filsl one up is 
described as of feminine quality.
In my experience it is the genuine  concern of the waiter that  gives me 
a whiff of that pleasurable feeling of  connectness and I feel like 
responding in kindness and I tip joyfully and enjoy paying  the dr's 
bill. But I do not necesserily experience it when I am the recipient of 
the   the cultural conserve : so how are the children/spouse/dog when 
the party  is clearly not particularly interested in my answer ,and I 
feel the words getting stuck in my throat but my politeness requires 
that I answer the Q .
Genuine concern requires less time. It is after all  an attitudenot 
necessarily a skill, worth cultivating, and it seems that it may be an 
attitude  necessary for our  survival in a future marked by  evolved 
technology.
So  Adam ,Regina,and Rest: how are you? It is rainy and gloomy in New 
York,and I am happy for those of you who can enjoy some sunshine today.
sunny hugs,
anath
anath garber
> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:08:00 -0500 From: reginasewell at optonline.net 
> Subject: RE: neuroscience and social feeling To: adam at blatner.com CC: 
> list at grouptalkweb.org
> Adam,
> Alas, what you describe -- the strokes, the curtiousness, the thank 
> you note, the added question 'and how's your wife/partner/dog/child?' 
> We used to call that good manners. It seems in our time obsessed 
> society, we've let go of that piece of the old cultural conserve.
> I saw a news clip on bullying in schools that looked at social 
> hierarchies and who made it to the top. The people who make it to the 
> top tend -- if male be good at sports, mature early, and/or be funny. 
> Money of course is helpful. Girls, it's money and looks... And some of 
> this ties into social skills. The people who have better social skills 
> from the get go tend to acquire even more skills as adults because 
> they are around other socially skilled people. They socially clueless 
> tend to remain socially clueless because they hang out w/ other 
> clueless people -- that's the theory anyway. At some level, this links 
> with Seigel's attachment theory. It starts so early. And yet, it can 
> be learned.
> And it has big impact. According to news reports, for example, the 
> doctors who get sued are not the least competent. They are the biggest 
> assholes. I know it works w/ tips and waiters. Charm and genuine 
> concern go much further than getting the order perfectly right and the 
> water perfectly on time.
> As I write this, I'm noting that we all have a fundamental need for 
> connection and yet our culture has, I think, taught us that doing 
> those things which foster connection are feminine, subservient and 
> thus signs of weakness.
> Peace, regina
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>> Dear Regina, I appreciate your bringing up Siegel, because indeed the 
>> neurophysiologists and new research in cognitive and social 
>> psychology all are supporting the power of interpersonal psychic 
>> resonance. People pick up subtle cues and respond. Now, let's say we 
>> get it, fully. My style is to leap into the so-whatness of things, 
>> the implications, what Jung called an "intuitive type" ---not that 
>> I'm more intuitive---he meant what I said, oriented to the 
>> implications. So if we were to make a firm foundation of all this 
>> that it's true, then what would we be empowered or encouraged to do 
>> more of or less of?
>> It seems to me that the growing literature on both neuro-physiology 
>> and social intelligence has at least (for starters) the following 
>> implication:
>> It is not taught in college, and not even in medical school or 
>> psychiatric residency and I doubt that it's taught in most counseling 
>> programs. But I think that we need to emphasize and advocate for the 
>> importance of explicitly learning to be gracious, hospitable, 
>> courteous, warm, friendly, attentive, rather than distracted, 
>> self-absorbed, curt, rude, brisk, cool, etc. I suspect that faculty 
>> sort of take it for granted, but I wonder if they should.
>> For example, what if most folks are about at a mid-range in skill in 
>> this way. They're reasonably nice and courteous, enough to get by, 
>> but few actually make a conscious effort to be gracious, to send 
>> thank you messages, to do more than what is clearly discourteous. On 
>> the other hand, many of these normal people think of themselves as 
>> benign, but actually create their lives so they feel too "busy" to 
>> attend to the little things that make people feel noticed and 
>> appreciated. This is the key starting point!! I suspect that most 
>> people don't let on that they desire more strokes; don't even admit 
>> to themselves that they need more strokes.
>> Doctors, professionals, lots of stories about people who clients feel 
>> don't really listen, don't really care. Now I know that most docs 
>> care, but they haven't had much modeling in knowing how to show it.
>> There are lots of folks who don't respond at all to repeated outreach 
>> via email, or only occasionaly.
>> Another problem is that people who want to be known, appreciated, 
>> disclose so indirectly, so partially, that it's hard to appreciate 
>> them if if one tried. It's as if they unconsciously feel/think, "If 
>> you really loved me you could read my mind."
>> So the good work being done on neurophysiology is important, it helps 
>> to lay the foundation. My interest shifts into methods for harvesting 
>> what they've been learning, turning into applications. I also wonder 
>> about the active unconscious resistances to social bonding, the 
>> self-reinforcing cycle that is based on defensiveness. Some people 
>> grow so cold that they defend themselves from knowing how hungry 
>> their heart is for someone to notice, to care, to want to know who 
>> you are, to be your friend. Their vague wistful fantasy may whisper, 
>> "Does that happen anymore? Or was that just in children's stories, so 
>> it seemed?"
>> I do believe we're in a world of significant alienation, and part of 
>> that is that people who are lonely and not getting enough strokes-- 
>> I'm big into Eric Berne's concept of strokes--- and I think most 
>> healthy people are getting now about 50% of the number of strokes 
>> that would be optimal. I think folks have forgotten to dream again 
>> that there could be communities where people felt relaxed enough, 
>> where there was sufficient group cohesion and morale, so that A might 
>> take the time to ask B, How're ya doin? and really want to know.
>> I guess this also fits with another thought that when Moreno talked 
>> about groups, he was referring not to psychotherapy groups (or only 
>> peripherally), but more the general sense of we-ness, of community, 
>> of what can people do to promote community-feeling and build on 
>> community energy.
>> More reflections on your comments later. warmly, adam
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