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Tue Nov 17 14:33:36 CST 2009

DM: As Adam points out 
      Psychodramatist and others practicing our methods with and without training and certification place protagonist and clients in a dangerous position by not securing there safety and containment. 
       ab: no, I suggested that a fair number of people were certified and or grandfathered in and still may operate in ways that do not take adequate precautions.  That's what leads to the question of consensus. 

     DM  He being a Key note speaker might be open to an invitation to speak at another ASGPP Conference.   AB: I think the messages that have been exchanged suggests that he demands a hefty fee. 

   DM  Kate not many people discuss the work of Fitz Pearls, Abraham Maslow, and Virginia Satir as students of Moreno...

AB: I don't think there's much evidence at all that Satir was ever a student of Moreno.  She adapted some similar methods, that's all. 
                Maslow, ditto, and no evidence of any influence by Moreno on him. 
                        Perls, did attend a few open sessions; probably picked up some techniques. Certainly would never consider himself a student! Very grudgingly allowed that Moreno did make up empty chair at a conference, mixed with chiding Moreno for wanting credit. 

    While I think Moreno came up with wonderful ideas, the actual impact of this man may be overstated by people in our field. That many were empowered by his alternatives to psychoanalysis, his various methods, etc., I don't doubt. A "teacher" role, though, implies more continuous contact. 

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  ----- Original Message -----

  From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net

  To: Dr Kate Hudgins , grouptalk Listserv 

  Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:49:02 +0000 (UTC)

  Subject: Re: email from Bessel

  I would, if it were me, ask/approach him for feedback - asking him as a expert in the field of trauma research and treatment, what might we consider as psychodamatists - in our work - to be of the most help uisng our method.  That's my suggestiion. I would approach him with a sense of humility about his work and ask him his thoughts, no need to defend anything.

    -----Original Message----- 
    From: Dr Kate Hudgins 
    Sent: Nov 13, 2009 11:43 AM 
    To: grouptalk Listserv 
    Subject: email from Bessel 

    Dear Grouptalk

    Interestingly I just received an email from Bessel this AM.  He was asking me to tone down my use of his name and praise of experiential methods on my website as "the only" treatment for trauma, saying that he supports EMDR which is not an experiential therapy.  I actually DO see it within my definition of experiential therapy...as it focuses on balances the right and left sides of the brain. 

    So...this gives me an opportunity to open a discussion with him about his comment at the workshop...but I need a few more details to do so..so ed....remind me what conference it was,  etc......and then I think I can ask him if he could at least be neutral about PDA or say since he supports my work, as he says in the email he just sent me...could he say something like..."some forms of psychodrama are helpful"....or at least open a dialogue with him.  

    also, I realized that my new book that is coming out early 2010 "Stories from the Frontlines:  Clinical and Community Action Around the World Using the Therapuetic Spiral Model" in some small way begins to do what Cathy N. suggests about gathering a general consensus on what is needed about psychodrama to treat trauma.  what this book does is draw from 14 authors what they all have taken from TSM and kept...what their consensus is from just this one trauma model is.  They are actually all quite clear in what they have all kept.  The Prescriptive roles.  The role of the Obesering ego.....the ability to first develop a role that allows trauma survivors to observe themselves and their symptoms WITHOUT judgement...a neutral observer without shame or blame.  then their need for containment, in tSM the roles of the Body Double, the Containing double and the Manager of Defenses.  Then to build us restoration roles of intrapsychic, interpersonal and transpersonal strengths before EVER addressing the trauma.  

    This is actually nothing new in trauma therapy.  It was fairly new to psychodrama when I first wrote and taught about it 15 years ago.  Now most people do similar things under different names.  but in the trauma field most writers/clinicians know to stage therapy with the first stage being stabalization or strength building before directly addressing the trauma as I said in a previous email.  

    so....Ed...and others  give me a quick email response to I can write back to Bessel's email in a timely fashion and tell him we have been having a listserve discussion about his comment and how can we help himm see psychodrama at least in a more neutral fasion?

    thanks, Kate

    Kate Hudgins, Ph.D., TEP

    Clinical Psychologist

    Director of Training

    Therapeutic Spiral International, LLC

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