Cathy N's suggestions

Fri Nov 13 18:50:23 CST 2009

Hi People, although Cathy mentioned my name, and because I did comment that there is a need for a consensus procedure about many aspects of psychodrama, I'm not really up for involvement in this business about trauma. It's not my area of expertise, or sufficient expertise. 
      So don't expect me to join a task force or attend a meeting on this theme. Good wishes on all your endeavors, though! warmly, adam blatner

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, CathyNugent at comcast.net <CathyNugent at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: CathyNugent at comcast.net <CathyNugent at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Cathy N's suggestions
> To: "Edward Schreiber" <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "grouptalk" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:32 AM
> #yiv275496302 p
> {margin:0;}Thanks
> to all who have responded to the idea of coming together to
> develop a consensus paper on using psychodrama to work with
> trauma.  Although I still think it might be helpful for
> those individuals who have a relationship with Dr. van der
> Kolk to reach out to him personally, there is power and
> credibility in having an more official statement that is
> endorsed by a number of people in the psychodrama community
> and disseminated through more formal channels.  
>  
> I am volunteering to work with the conference organizers
> to identify a time and place for a small group of us to
> meet for the purpose of begining a conversation about what a
> consensus paper might look like and what the process would
> be for developing one.  We can determine at that time
> if it seems feasible to move forward, what our steps and
> process will be, and who will do what....
>  
> So far, I think the following individuals have expressed
> interest (sorry if I have missed anyone):
>  
> Rosalie Minkin
> Ed Schreiber
> Adam Blatner
> Kate Hudgins
> Patti Dessert
>  
> That is enough to get us started, and we can certainly
> accommodate others who are interested in coming to the
> initial meeting.  We will also need a number of
> additional psychodramatists to participate in reviewing and
> refining the draft as it goes through successive
> iterations.  
>  
> Unless I hear otherwise, I will move forward with
> planning a time for us to meet at the conference, and I will
> keep everyone posted via this listserv.  
>  
> I think this will be a great opportunity for us to come
> together to clarify core principles and points of agreement
> about how to work with trauma using psychodrama in a safe,
> clinically sound, and ethical manner that is consistent with
> the research and best practices available today.  Also,
> if this effort goes well, maybe we can, as Adam has
> suggested, develop consensus papers on other
> psychodrama-related topics.  In lieu of having a
> professional journal, this might be a way to disseminate
> psychodrama information....
>  
> Thanks and best wishes to all!
>  
> Cathy
>  
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Schreiber"
> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> To: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> Cc: hvpi at hvc.rr.com, "CathyN"
> <cathynugent at comcast.net>, "grouptalk"
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> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:44:28 PM GMT -05:00
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> Subject: Re: Cathy N's suggestions
> 
> Time to gather and put our division aside to co-create for
> our method.
> Thank you Cathy so much!  Count me as very
> interested in joining this effort at the conference.
> Warm thanks,
> Ed
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, PATRICIA DESERT
> wrote:
> 
> And I
> wholeheartedly think this would be a great start to make
> these principles more conscious in our community and
> elsewhere.  thank you Cathy for this.  Patti
>  
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: CathyNugent at comcast.net 
> Sent: Nov 9, 2009 4:42 PM 
> To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net 
> Cc: ASGPP grouptalknew , Connie Lawrence , HV
> Psychodrama 
> Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Might
> it be helpful for a small group to meet at the conference to
> develop the beginnings of a "consensus paper" that
> outlines some key principles for using psychodrama to work
> with trauma material.  Maybe the group could make a
> start during an in-person meeting, and then send the
> document out via this listserv and/or the ASGPP Forum to get
> additional comments and move toward finalizing the document
> through a series of iterations.  I think there may also
> be some interactive websites that allow people to do
> this sort of thing (writing together and making comments,
> changes, etc., until consensus is achieved).  When the
> document is complete, maybe it could  be posted on the
> ASGPP website, sent to other organizations
> (including professional associations that work with
> trauma - can't think of the names right now), and
> disseminated in other ways.  Maybe it could be the
> first of a number of papers that we put out to help educate
> various audiences about what we do, the underlying rationale
> for why we do it, what we do not do, etc...... Just
> brainstorming here.....
>  
> Thanks for raising this topic for discussion.
>  
> Cathy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
> To: "Connie Lawrence" <clawrence05 at windstream.net>,
> "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> Cc: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 3:47:26 PM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> 
> Trauma Drama is the "theater work" Dr. van der
> Kolk spoke about during the conference my friend asked him
> about psychodrama.  I believe he will be offering it
> again - as a training program - in 2010.  In any case,
> he recommended to the 300 attending that they consider this
> as one route.  Interestly too, my friend reported that
> he felt yoga was - when well considered in terms of trauma -
> a very reasonable therapeutic tool.
> 
> Whether it's TSM, or classical psychodrama, or a
> catharsis of integration, or some adaptation - all have some
> part to play and value when one of the leading trauma
> experts is sounding a alert to us to respond to.  
> 
> Personally I am not in favor of anyone "representing
> the method or organization" since we each and all have
> a view, experience and perspective.
> 
> I do think making some contact with him at conferences,
> suggesting some dialogue for our own learning (and his)
> would be worthy of consideration.
> 
> These are important things to speak about with one another
> here, too.
> 
> Thanks for all the response.
> 
> Ed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Connie Lawrence <clawrence05 at windstream.net>
> >Sent: Nov 9, 2009 1:26 PM
> >To: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>,
> HV Psychodrama <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> >Cc: ASGPP grouptalknew <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >The Trauma Center at JRI used to do a program with
> teens called "Trauma 
> >Drama" - it is a violence prevention program that
> was done in collaboration 
> >with Urban Improv out of Boston working with 4th &
> 5th grade kids at risk. 
> >It has elements of role play, future projection and
> quite a few components 
> >of psychodrama.
> >
> >There is an evidence-based piece of research van der
> Kolk and Spinazzola 
> >(along with several other authors) did on the efficacy
> of drama in this 
> >work.  Here is the link: 
> >http://gwired.gwu.edu/hamfish/merlin-cgi/p/downloadFile/d/16952/n/off/other/1/name/Spinazzolaetal5219SessionPlanpdf/
> >
> >I just went on the website and I don't see the
> program listed anymore - nor 
> >do I see the name of the professional I spoke with
> about it a year or so ago 
> >about the program. It sounded like a great program - it
> is a bit surprising 
> >it is no longer there.
> >thanks,
> >Connie
> >Connie Lawrence, MSW, LSW, CET II
> >Experiential Modalities & "Rock the
> House!"
> >clawrence05 at windstream.net
> >216-233-1600
> >
> >
> >Visit my blog!
> >http://experientialmodalities.blogspot.com/
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Edward Schreiber" <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> >To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> >Cc: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:36 PM
> >Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> >
> >
> >>I realize this was an "event" that took
> place some years ago at the
> >> ASGPP Conference where Dr. Van der Kolk watched
> (and was very
> >> concerned from what I gather) about what he saw.
>  However, his
> >> concern seems to have grown - and he is speaking
> publicly now - at
> >> this time - saying the method reinforces trauma,
> not resolves it -
> >> from the report from my colleague who questioned
> him publicly at this
> >> conference a month or two ago.  I may attempt
> to meet with him, I
> >> have certification in the treatment of
> psychological trauma (from BU)
> >> and want to address his concerns, not pleased he
> is doing this
> >> publicly, wanting to find out his present
> concerns.  Ed
> >> On Nov 8, 2009, at 9:54 PM, HV Psychodrama wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bessel Van Der Kolk was very disturbed by a
> workshop he saw at our
> >>> conference when he was the keynote speaker a
> number of years
> >>> before. Judy Swallow has spoken to him...I
> think she sent him Kate
> >>> Hudgins book. Judy has a somewhat removed
> connection with him. You
> >>> might try contacting her..
> >>> Rebecca
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Edward Schreiber"
> >>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:01 PM
> >>> Subject: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Colleagues,
> >>>> I had dinner tonight with a psychologist
> out here in Western
> >>>> Mass.   She is in private practice,
> but worked in a clinic
> >>>> serving  traumatized kids
> >>>> and families for many years.  In any
> case, she was concerned about
> >>>> a conference she recently attended in the
> Hartford, CT area, in which
> >>>> Dr. Van der Kolk as the keynote speaker.
>  Interestingly enough, he
> >>>> mentioned yoga and "theater" as
> helpful in the resolution of
> >>>> trauma. This
> >>>> colleague has known of our method for some
> time so she raised in
> >>>> front of 300 people the question to him,
> about the work of J.L.
> >>>> Moreno and
> >>>> psychodrama.  This conference was a
> few months ago.  Dr. Van der
> >>>> Kolk resolutely announced psychodrama as
> counter-indicated for the
> >>>> treatment of trauma, suggesting abreactive
> nature of the method,
> >>>> as  he experienced it some time ago,
> makes the situation worse
> >>>> for  traumatized
> >>>> patients.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know how to reach him, what we
> might do to address
> >>>> this  with him?  Does anyone
> have a connection with him and why
> >>>> might he
> >>>> be saying this - around the country -
> about psychodrama?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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