Cathy N's suggestions

Edward Schreiber edwschreiber at earthlink.net
Thu Nov 12 15:44:28 CST 2009 

Time to gather and put our division aside to co-create for our method.
Thank you Cathy so much!  Count me as very interested in joining this  
effort at the conference.
Warm thanks,
Ed
On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, PATRICIA DESERT wrote:

> And I wholeheartedly think this would be a great start to make  
> these principles more conscious in our community and elsewhere.   
> thank you Cathy for this.  Patti
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CathyNugent at comcast.net
> Sent: Nov 9, 2009 4:42 PM
> To: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
> Cc: ASGPP grouptalknew , Connie Lawrence , HV Psychodrama
> Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
>
>
> Might it be helpful for a small group to meet at the conference to  
> develop the beginnings of a "consensus paper" that outlines some  
> key principles for using psychodrama to work with trauma material.   
> Maybe the group could make a start during an in-person meeting, and  
> then send the document out via this listserv and/or the ASGPP Forum  
> to get additional comments and move toward finalizing the document  
> through a series of iterations.  I think there may also be some  
> interactive websites that allow people to do this sort of thing  
> (writing together and making comments, changes, etc., until  
> consensus is achieved).  When the document is complete, maybe it  
> could  be posted on the ASGPP website, sent to other organizations  
> (including professional associations that work with trauma - can't  
> think of the names right now), and disseminated in other ways.   
> Maybe it could be the first of a number of papers that we put out  
> to help educate various audiences about what we do, the underlying  
> rationale for why we do it, what we do not do, etc...... Just  
> brainstorming here.....
>
> Thanks for raising this topic for discussion.
>
> Cathy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edwschreiber at earthlink.net
> To: "Connie Lawrence" <clawrence05 at windstream.net>, "HV  
> Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> Cc: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 3:47:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
>
> Trauma Drama is the "theater work" Dr. van der Kolk spoke about  
> during the conference my friend asked him about psychodrama.  I  
> believe he will be offering it again - as a training program - in  
> 2010.  In any case, he recommended to the 300 attending that they  
> consider this as one route.  Interestly too, my friend reported  
> that he felt yoga was - when well considered in terms of trauma - a  
> very reasonable therapeutic tool.
>
> Whether it's TSM, or classical psychodrama, or a catharsis of  
> integration, or some adaptation - all have some part to play and  
> value when one of the leading trauma experts is sounding a alert to  
> us to respond to.
>
> Personally I am not in favor of anyone "representing the method or  
> organization" since we each and all have a view, experience and  
> perspective.
>
> I do think making some contact with him at conferences, suggesting  
> some dialogue for our own learning (and his) would be worthy of  
> consideration.
>
> These are important things to speak about with one another here, too.
>
> Thanks for all the response.
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Connie Lawrence <clawrence05 at windstream.net>
> >Sent: Nov 9, 2009 1:26 PM
> >To: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>, HV Psychodrama  
> <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> >Cc: ASGPP grouptalknew <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >The Trauma Center at JRI used to do a program with teens called  
> "Trauma
> >Drama" - it is a violence prevention program that was done in  
> collaboration
> >with Urban Improv out of Boston working with 4th & 5th grade kids  
> at risk.
> >It has elements of role play, future projection and quite a few  
> components
> >of psychodrama.
> >
> >There is an evidence-based piece of research van der Kolk and  
> Spinazzola
> >(along with several other authors) did on the efficacy of drama in  
> this
> >work.  Here is the link:
> >http://gwired.gwu.edu/hamfish/merlin-cgi/p/downloadFile/d/16952/n/ 
> off/other/1/name/Spinazzolaetal5219SessionPlanpdf/
> >
> >I just went on the website and I don't see the program listed  
> anymore - nor
> >do I see the name of the professional I spoke with about it a year  
> or so ago
> >about the program. It sounded like a great program - it is a bit  
> surprising
> >it is no longer there.
> >thanks,
> >Connie
> >Connie Lawrence, MSW, LSW, CET II
> >Experiential Modalities & "Rock the House!"
> >clawrence05 at windstream.net
> >216-233-1600
> >
> >
> >Visit my blog!
> >http://experientialmodalities.blogspot.com/
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Edward Schreiber" <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> >To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> >Cc: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:36 PM
> >Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> >
> >
> >>I realize this was an "event" that took place some years ago at the
> >> ASGPP Conference where Dr. Van der Kolk watched (and was very
> >> concerned from what I gather) about what he saw.  However, his
> >> concern seems to have grown - and he is speaking publicly now - at
> >> this time - saying the method reinforces trauma, not resolves it -
> >> from the report from my colleague who questioned him publicly at  
> this
> >> conference a month or two ago.  I may attempt to meet with him, I
> >> have certification in the treatment of psychological trauma  
> (from BU)
> >> and want to address his concerns, not pleased he is doing this
> >> publicly, wanting to find out his present concerns.  Ed
> >> On Nov 8, 2009, at 9:54 PM, HV Psychodrama wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bessel Van Der Kolk was very disturbed by a workshop he saw at our
> >>> conference when he was the keynote speaker a number of years
> >>> before. Judy Swallow has spoken to him...I think she sent him Kate
> >>> Hudgins book. Judy has a somewhat removed connection with him. You
> >>> might try contacting her..
> >>> Rebecca
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Schreiber"
> >>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "ASGPP grouptalknew" <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:01 PM
> >>> Subject: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Colleagues,
> >>>> I had dinner tonight with a psychologist out here in Western
> >>>> Mass.   She is in private practice, but worked in a clinic
> >>>> serving  traumatized kids
> >>>> and families for many years.  In any case, she was concerned  
> about
> >>>> a conference she recently attended in the Hartford, CT area,  
> in which
> >>>> Dr. Van der Kolk as the keynote speaker.  Interestingly  
> enough, he
> >>>> mentioned yoga and "theater" as helpful in the resolution of
> >>>> trauma. This
> >>>> colleague has known of our method for some time so she raised in
> >>>> front of 300 people the question to him, about the work of J.L.
> >>>> Moreno and
> >>>> psychodrama.  This conference was a few months ago.  Dr. Van der
> >>>> Kolk resolutely announced psychodrama as counter-indicated for  
> the
> >>>> treatment of trauma, suggesting abreactive nature of the method,
> >>>> as  he experienced it some time ago, makes the situation worse
> >>>> for  traumatized
> >>>> patients.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know how to reach him, what we might do to address
> >>>> this  with him?  Does anyone have a connection with him and why
> >>>> might he
> >>>> be saying this - around the country - about psychodrama?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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