Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama

Tue Nov 10 12:16:50 CST 2009

Thank you Karen.  One of the reasons that I call my work either  
experiential psychotherapy or clinically modified psychodrama is to  
address these concerns in the general public.  Also being a Ph.D  
clinical psychologist gets me around some of the naysayers as well.

there is MUCH research on experiential psychotherapy, much of it done  
by a clinical psychologist at York University in Toronto that we can  
tie psychodrama into to support our work.  His name is Leslie  
Greenberg and all psychodramatists can do that for their work.

kate
On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Karen Carnabucci wrote:

> How good that documentation and studies are now being available and  
> able to demonstrate this information. Of course, there are some  
> psychodrama directors, as skilled and as creative as they are, are  
> not knowledgeable about the most recent updates and research on  
> trauma and how they link with action and experiential methods. This  
> is why I have found Kate’s Therapeutic Spiral Model so valuable,  
> along with other practitioners’ contributions including Donna  
> Little and others.
>
> I now integrate Kate’s model with other bits, including bilateral  
> stimulation and Systemic Constellation Work and refer to Reiki,  
> bodywork, yoga and/or acupuncture when appropriate. One of my early  
> trainers, Gerald Tremblay, always announced, when talking about  
> trauma, “Go slow, like a turtle.”
>
> Dr. Van Der Kolk says that experiential methods are the treatment  
> of choice for trauma survivors. And we should add -- when anchored  
> in clinical theory and employed by a competent and well-trained  
> practitioners, who are trained well not only in psychodrama but  
> informed about the updated research and sensitive to the nuances of  
> trauma.
>
> Kate, please count me in your corner as a supporter!
>
> Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, TEP
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> From: list-bounces at grouptalkweb.org [mailto:list- 
> bounces at grouptalkweb.org] On Behalf Of Dr Kate Hudgins
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: Edward Schreiber
> Cc: ASGPP grouptalknew
> Subject: Re: Trauma, van der Kolk and psychodrama
>
> Yes I know why he says this.  He was the keynote speaker at ASGPP  
> in 1996 and had a very bad experience there seeing uncontained  
> abreactive psychodramas done again and again at the conference.  I  
> had lunch with him at the conference and told him about the  
> Containing double and TSM.  He told me it sounded good and could  
> set psychodrama" back on the right path" but that I needed to do  
> research on it.  We have had several letters of correspondence over  
> the past 13 years but they have been few and far in between.
>
>  I have since done several research studies that show it does  
> contain the uncontrolled nature of abreactive trauma as it also  
> DEFINES spontaneity..  there is now a 3 year study in Taiwan by Dr  
> Lai Nien Hwa supported by government funding showing that a program  
> using TSM and art therapy worked with woman and children effected  
> by domestic violence who have PTSD works.  It is being published in  
> a the the Journel of Counseling in Chinese and in my new book  
> Stories at the Frontlines:  Clinical and Community Actions in the  
> Global Community using The Therapeutic Spiral Model (In Press)
>
> I am willing to try and talk to Bessel but I am not willing to do  
> it alone.  Iwould do it as a representative of the ASGPP, as a  
> representative of the psychodrama community.  He at least knows who  
> I am and knows my name.  But I am very busy right now, writing a  
> TSM Basic training manual with Nien Hwa Lai and two other  
> colleagues in Chinese for taiwan, a chapter for using tSM cross  
> culturally, as well as trying to re-establish a USA training group  
> and working with Colleen Baratka to continue our quarterly eating  
> disorders group that goes between Charlottesville and Philadelphia.
>
> As many of you know I have not been part of the American  
> psychodrama community for 10 years while I concentrated my work in  
> Asia.  I have pulled back from working in China due to many bad  
> experiences there but am expanding work in Japan and solidifying  
> work in Taiwan as I also return to the UK and continue work in  
> Canada as I rebuid my work in America.  So, if I am to approach  
> Bessel, I want support to do it.  I do have research to show him of  
> the Containing double in individual therapy, at the commmunity  
> level, and this work of Dr Lai's in a year long therapy group.  As  
> you know I won the Scholar's award this year.  So I think I can  
> begin a dialogue with him.
>
> Who will support me?
>
> Kate
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Edward Schreiber wrote:
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
> I had dinner tonight with a psychologist out here in Western Mass.   
> She is in private practice, but worked in a clinic serving  
> traumatized kids
> and families for many years.  In any case, she was concerned about  
> a conference she recently attended in the Hartford, CT area, in which
> Dr. Van der Kolk as the keynote speaker.  Interestingly enough, he  
> mentioned yoga and "theater" as helpful in the resolution of  
> trauma.  This
> colleague has known of our method for some time so she raised in  
> front of 300 people the question to him, about the work of J.L.  
> Moreno and
> psychodrama.  This conference was a few months ago.  Dr. Van der  
> Kolk resolutely announced psychodrama as counter-indicated for the
> treatment of trauma, suggesting abreactive nature of the method, as  
> he experienced it some time ago, makes the situation worse for  
> traumatized
> patients.
>
> Does anyone know how to reach him, what we might do to address this  
> with him?  Does anyone have a connection with him and why might he
> be saying this - around the country - about psychodrama?
>
> Ed
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