political themes on grouptalk

Sun Jan 25 18:28:32 CST 2009

Dear all,

We had this discussion before, and I realize how difficult is to people in
psychology field to feel the political implications of their knowledge and
practices, particularly if we're talking about group transformation (so the
question of individual vs group doesn´t really make sense, it's a false
question, as there is no individual apart from group and there is no group
without politics). The reluctance to move forward to sociatry is the same
reluctance that people have with politics (a dirty word, and I certainly
understand why...but it is not that politics we mean, it's the real one...).

Sociatry is not, as I understand it, a fix and static way of seeing the
"cure of society". What is it a typical professional politician anyway if
only a courageous sociatrist but with a weak action plan to cure society.

I think we will only get to Sociatry if we stop to see every knowledge
speciality as a separate thing of the big whole. If we only have the skills
to communicate what we know to each other, if we only know to work together
not in a simple inter-disciplinary way but in quantum leap forward to a
systemic trans-disciplinary approach to life.

Is the "psychodrama movement" prepared to get out of its confort zone?

Genuinely,
Ivo

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Kim Cox <kimbo.cox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ed,
> Thanks for sending the article, as it is interesting, but similar to our
> previous discussions before - it would help if you would just do a web site
> link (which is not an attachment) rather than the whole article, and have
> more of the text of your e-mail come more from you sharing with us your
> thoughts about the article and why you are posting it. On the surface this
> doesn't seem to have anything to do with psychodrama so if you tell me more
> than maybe I can connect the dots. Just writing "these are issues of
> sociatry in my opinion" doesn't tell me much.
>
> Thanks Ed!
>
> Kim
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Edward Schreiber <
> edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ann, yes I will give a head's up - and my preference would also be
>> to say, "here's an attachment if you want to read it" but attachments are
>> not a great idea.  The tie-in to our Method comes from my read of the
>> stories of Zerka and JL as activists.  One story in a black college in the
>> south.  This is our times now, an age of real change.  Best,  Ed
>> On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Ann Hale wrote:
>>
>> I agree it is in a grey area. I understand why it was sent out. Perhaps we
>> could all consider the viability of posts and give a "heads up" sentence or
>> two and leave a web address people could use to learn more about the topic.
>> I prefer this to people dropping off the list who are "purists". Ann Hale
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- Over the years quite a few psychodramatists*
>> From:* Adam Blatner <ablatner at verizon.net>
>> *To:* Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net> ; Grouptalk Listserv<list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:20 AM
>> *Subject:* political themes on grouptalk
>>
>> Dear Ed and all,
>>     This piece moves me to question what we want and do not want to be
>> included on this listserve. Some other inputs from others will be needed to
>> help clarify.
>>  It seems to me that there's a grey area: Sociatry gets idealistic, but
>> blurs over into indignation about this or that political issue. It seems
>> possible to fill this listserve content with various people's thoughts about
>> one or another issue that has very little if anything to do with
>> psychodrama, sociodrama, sociometry, group psychotherapy, etc.
>>        Even if we do claim sociatry, there should be some more
>> descriptions about how exactly and specifically Morenian methods are being
>> used---not vague ideas about how they might someday be used in some
>> imagined, "maybe someone will come up with a way to..." fashion.
>>
>>       For example, in this last message from Ed:
>> with the subject: Fwd: As we enter the Obama era,there are many
>> unanswered questions about the full extent of the domestic spying that took
>> place under Bush, including whether it is still going on
>>           A. I think we should try to edit subject lines
>>    B. Ed says: these are issues of sociatry in my opinion.
>>             Adam: I think this stretches the definition to and beyond the
>> edge. What do others think?
>>         Ed, can you spell out in any specific way how there's anything
>> that we can do about this from a Morenian viewpoint other than to get out
>> and work with our local political committees to (write letters to congress;
>> promote the election of people who we feel will support our political
>> preferences, etc.?).
>>
>>     C. Might this long forwarded message be simply alluded to as a URL
>> (website) that we could look up if we wanted to? Why should all of the
>> content of this long screed be in the body of our email?
>>
>>       Warmly, Adam
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *"doug wilson" <dougw at rowecenter.org>
>> *Date: *January 24, 2009 7:37:10 AM EST
>> *To: *<dougw at rowecenter.org>
>> *Subject: **As we enter the Obama era, there are many unanswered
>> questions about the full extent of the domestic spying that took place under
>> Bush, including whether it is still going on*
>> *Reply-To: *<dougw at rowecenter.org>
>>
>> <006301c97e36$c634c290$0301a8c0>
>> *Whistleblower Levels Shocking Allegations at Bush's Spying Programs* *By
>> Liliana Segura, AlterNet
>> Posted on January 24, 2009, Printed on January 24, 2009
>> http://www.alternet.org/story/122234/*
>>
>> On Jan. 21, former U.S. intelligence official Russell Tice appeared on
>> MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermannn" and broke a sobering bit of news
>> that, sandwiched between Obama's inauguration and sweeping executive orders,
>> went largely ignored by the media: Under the Bush administration's notorious
>> warrantless spying program, not only did the NSA eavesdrop on millions of
>> Americans, it turns out it specifically targeted "U.S. news organizations,
>> reporters and journalists."  .... etc. for several pages
>>
>>
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