ASGPP Annual Meeting Agenda Item

Thu Feb 26 13:13:37 CST 2009

Our request is to form a working committee to address the issue of  
the conference and the conference format.  It sounds as though you  
are interested!  The working committee we are proposing to the ASGPP  
is not the conference committee, nor the council, it is a working  
committee to examine the location, place and structure of the  
conference itself.  We are   suggesting we form a working group.  The  
conference can take a leap if we have the strength and courage.

On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Adam Blatner wrote:

> Ed, your suggestion is fine. It may be a very positive thing!
>     I'm just saying for all that we need to be a bit cautious about  
> our ways of presenting an argument, because it can be intimidating.  
> If one doesn't know the devices of rhetoric, one might be tempted  
> to stifle any doubts. That is a manipulation, though I am NOT  
> suggesting that you intended it to be so. Lots of people speak this  
> way, but it has unintended consequences. So it's a comment on the  
> way people operate in groups---an aspect of group dynamics that has  
> to do with semantics, intensity, and other variables.
>
>    As for the idea itself, I would only add that, depending on the  
> college and location, well, the general category is certainly worth  
> exploring, but the devil is in the details. If, for example, the  
> college found is out in the boondocks, if the dormitory rooms are  
> pretty shabby, ... well, that it is a "college" doesn't really do  
> it. I agree with your suggestion that it be considered, though!
>
>     Warmly, Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Schreiber
> To: Adam Blatner
> Cc: grouptalk Listserv
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: ASGPP Annual Meeting Agenda Item
>
> I am asking for a working group to be formed.  This is not "shabby  
> manipulation".  And yes, it's true, I listen to the voices who say  
> the Conference is too expensive and frankly outdated in my  
> opinion.  I say this because I've experienced an advanced  
> structure, noted by the IAGP's Academy.  And I am calling the  
> question to the floor at the ASGPP to form a group to redesign the  
> Conference and bring it to a college campus where housing, meals,  
> etc. can be offered.
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>
>> Dear All, Here's a comment on the process rather than the content  
>> of the question as to the idea of changing the time and location  
>> of the conference.
>>
>>     First, it's not that much of a conserve. Conferences have been  
>> held at non-typical locations----20? years ago at a resort in the  
>> Pocono mountains, for example.
>>
>>      But, Ed, your last email---while I appreciate your enthusiasm  
>> in this difficult time (historically and economically of flagging  
>> morale)---what you wrote "begs the question," implying that anyone  
>> who has what seems to him or her a plausible or fair reason for  
>> doing other than what you suggest is
>>      (1) operating on NO evidence.     (how do you know until  
>> you've respectfully listened and considered other viewpoints?)
>>
>>      (2) or that anyone who even thinks of disagreeing either  
>> lacks courage or will or is beholden to the conserve---this is  
>> called "attribution of motivation."  This argument implies that  
>> anyone who might disagree for what seems to them to be truly valid  
>> reasons is "really" being driven by unworthy unconscious  
>> motivations that we know but the person denies. This is a shabby  
>> manipulation that was practiced a lot by the early psychoanalysts  
>> in their disputes with each other.
>>
>>   I haven't considered this option and am very  open to what  
>> you're suggesting. I have no objection to the content of the  
>> suggestion. I would like folks to think about the pros and cons. I  
>> just don't think we should "beg the question" by assuming that any  
>> new idea is a good idea by virtue of its being new. Some new ideas  
>> are really bad ideas if one thinks about it; and some are really  
>> quite good.
>>
>>        Warmly, Adam
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Edward Schreiber
>> To: HV Psychodrama
>> Cc: grouptalk Listserv
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: ASGPP Annual Meeting Agenda Item
>>
>> There is no evidence to support the belief that a conference
>> over the summer would draw less.  What would be less anyway
>> than the numbers now?
>>
>> In fact, the evidence suggests the opposite.
>> The IAGP Conferences are in August and draw many.
>> The Expressive Therapies Conference this year is in August at
>> Lesley University.
>>
>> The question I have to the ASGPP is:  do we have the courage
>> to change the conserve and is there the will and the leadership?
>>
>> The IAGP Academy has an extraordinary design for it's Academy,
>> where real training can take place in "tracks" and a large group,
>> the entire conference, works together.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
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