catharsis of integration Addenda

[Bud Weiss]

I do not mean to say in my comment about one session integration that there
was no need for more sessions for that person. I mean that there was so much
integrated both for that protagonist and for so many others in the group who
took part in it that went far beyond what I had previously considered
possible in one single hour and a half at most. That's right one hour and a
half at most.  be well, Blessings, Bud

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Bud Weiss <bud.weiss at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Adam and all:I have witnessed the most traumatized persons integrate
> it all during a well run Constellation session. In fact, one of the people I
> have produced constellations for, John L. Payne worked for 5 years
> in Johannesburg South Africa as well as doing many constellations in Europe
> regularly working with the most horrible scenarios including ones from
> the Holocaust. I have never known of any more horrible circumstances than
> those in South Africa let alone those of the rest of Africa as people were
> treated worse than the most rabid animal.
> Psychodama can go there as well if the director understands how to use
> multi and intergenerational platforms and the process of healing or properly
> orienting perpetrators in time and space ultimately to be healed as their
> ancient ancestors surround them offering them solace for the awful part they
> were thrown to taking. Unfortunately, most are not trained in any of  this
> as far as I can see. Instead, most come from a background of learning about
> abreaction and the 60s inheritance of beating each other up with pillows and
> soft plastic wands.  Sorry to be so derisive and I really couldn't stand
> seeing that sort of thing though I certainly did my share of screaming
> cursing pillow beating and bad guy/woman disintegration before fully
> grasping the lack of resolution provided in all of that.
>
> I look to people like Karen Carnabucci and Ron Anderson with their training
> in Constellations to bring the next level to our groups. I will keep on
> working toward writing something about this and have too little direct
> experience as a Constellation facilitator myself to be in any way
> authoratative about it. None the less, I will work at it from the literature
> and my experiences through many constellations as well as my
> colleagial relationships with John L. Payne www.johnlpayne.com as well as
> Francesca Mason Boring  www.allmyrelationsconstellations.com and others.
> Be well all. Thanks Adam and Jim for commenting on my post. Best from Bud
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Adam Blatner <ablatner at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>>  Good conversation by all.
>>
>> This from Bud was interesting: I think one of the traps of
>> psychodramatists is to get high on the action part and not on the real
>> resolution in which both specific actions and very specific healing phrases
>> need to be uttered.  Too often, I have seen touted psychodramatists produce
>> tremendous action with huge amounts of tears and sturm and drung without
>> real resolution. The bad guys are punished, the protagonist stands up to the
>> future ones and everyone applauds with some usual back references to Daddy
>> or mom or grandparents who started the whole thing dismissing them after
>> scolding them for having done such a terrible job. For me, there is no
>> resolution until you have in one way or another healed all those you
>> consider having been wounded by.. .
>>
>> Adam: I somewhat agree, in that I view catharsis as an emotional
>> expression of different kinds of integration (as discussed in my article in
>> the Journal in 1985 and in my Fondations of Psychodrama). A key concept is I
>> think Moreno's own suggestion that every catharsis of abreaction be followed
>> by a catharsis of integration. In other words, there's a release of
>> emotional energy at re-discovering a part of onesefl that has been disowned,
>> such as the sad or vulnerable or even strong, empowered part. But then the
>> protagonist is faced with yet another challenge: What can be done with those
>> parts. In the protagonist's earlier schema such roles were threatening,
>> shameful, etc.--- so there's work to be done to re-frame those roles or
>> parts so that they can be seen as potentially constructive.
>>
>> Another type of integration is what Bud suggested: The integration of the
>> more mature recognition of who the other person was and why they might have
>> been neglectful. The problem is that a person may need to go through weeks,
>> months, or years of working through their own feelings of dis-empowerment
>> and discovery of re-empowerment before they're ready to then ground
>> themselves and consider the "reasons" for other people's disappointing,
>> betraying, or otherwise frustrating or traumatic behavior.
>>
>> I agree that there is a kind of maturation evident in the capacity to do
>> this, but many patients and non-patients aren't really ready to understand,
>> forgive, or release. This doesn't mean that that more mature goal should be
>> abandoned, but it might not be necessary to impose it on the protagonists
>> when they're still early in the process, when the integration of the
>> catharsis has at best only begun to be integrated.
>>
>> For people who aren't coming from the role of traumatized victim, but
>> rather from a more neutral, healthy role, an interesting further kind of
>> healing happens through expanding the circle of caring and extending the
>> processes of greater consciousness vicariously, of imagining the healing of
>> those whose limited consciousness led them to be hurtful. It's a little
>> touchy, though, because some people who think they're ready to do this may
>> discover that they continue to have more active unfinished vulnerable roles
>> or deeper wounds or more sensitive "scars" than they had realized.
>>
>>      In summary, I don't think of psychodrama in its classical sense as a
>> complete therapy that can finish up everything that is started. Rather, it
>> needs to be woven together with other treatment approaches. (As an analogy,
>> surgery by itself isn't curative, but requires pre-care and after-care that
>> may be as demanding of attention, skill, and much more time than the surgery
>> itself.)
>>
>> Warmly, Adam
>>
>
>
>
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Breathing is the foundation of life, and good breathing is the foundation of
good health. Improve your health by improving your breathing with the BIBH
Buteyko Method.
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