Fwd: psychodrama research

[Walter Logeman]

Hi all,

I have not responded recently to the wonderful replies to the
discussion on "psychodrama research".

This is just a note to say I am here & reading quickly.  I will reply.

I am writing a paper on this , but have another paper I am committed
to to finish first, so this is part of a ling term project.

I usually get to these things!  It can take years :)  One of the
wonderful things about listserves is that this thread will persist!
The record is here!

Love,

Walter

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2009/4/2 bernard widlake <bernardwidlake at btinternet.com>:
> Can I throw in a bit to this debate, without knowing fully what you are
> discussing. But this email triggers a very important area of thought for me.
> I am working on a workshop for   our UK conference, which is centred around
> myths and stories. I have the notion that stories and myths      take us to
> a way of thinking which is more intuitive, body centred, earth connected,
> and spiritual that the  intellectualising, measurement based theory which is
> currently widely favoured. The idea that you can measure everything (or
> indeed anything, if you follow chaoas theory) tends to preclude the kind of
> contact which I have recently read about in the Dalai Lama's teaching.  I
> think psychodrama    works in that kind of area, an intuitive, as if beyond
> daily experience area, where the whole person is involved, and healed by
> becoming whole.
>
> Does this make any sense to anyone else. It is what happens to me when I do
> good psychodrama, but I don't know if my words speak to anyone else.
> Best wishes,
> Bernard.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Logeman" <walter at psybernet.co.nz>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: psychodrama research
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Thanks Peter for the suggestion we continue the discussion here.  I'd
>> like that.  Loved hearing that you sang a little song in response to a
>> discussion about research!  It is close to my heart too.  I just saw
>> the movie Australia - they sing all sorts of things into being over
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks Adam for your responses.
>>
>> What I got from both of you is that there is not just one thing called
>> research, even in the traditional methods, there is a range of
>> approaches, purposes and motivations.
>>
>> I'd like to take up some points in one of your paragraphs Adam
>>
>>
>>> My first association is that the criteria Walter mentions, starting
>>> with voluntariness and informed consent, is hardly ever fully valid,
>>> because
>>> unless they are quite familiar with the method, people tend to "bite off
>>> more than they can chew."    The number of people who are truly prepared
>>> for
>>> sociometric explorations seems to me to be very low. Maybe not in New
>>> Zealand, but elsewhere, no.
>>
>>
>> Moreno spoke of "Maximum voluntary participation"  - he realised that
>> there is no absolute here.  In a simolar vein he used the term "near
>> sociometric".
>>
>> "The number of people who are truly prepared for sociometric
>> explorations seems to me to be very low."
>>
>> If we think, and I am sure most of us do, as a protagonist working for
>> the group, then there is already a rudimentary consciousness in us of
>> the sociometric experiment in every Psychodrama.  Moreno says
>> somewhere that Psychodrama is one form of sociometric experimentation.
>>
>> The protagonists concern is a question (shared by the group in some
>> way) and launching into the drama in various scenes tests various
>> hypothesis.  The sharing at the end reveals the conclusions drawn from
>> the experiment.
>>
>> People enter into this sort of sociometric experiment all the time,
>> but not with consciousness or using that language.  But they learn
>> "truth"  Psychodrama is a theatre of truth.  There is a form of
>> knowing that happens here.  There is some system of epistemology that
>> Moreno was in tune with.  There is a feminist tradition termed
>> "connected knowing" (google it) which also values something distinct
>> from the more analytical approaches.
>>
>> I have a fantasy that by pursuing all this more consciously we could
>> role reverse with the molecules or the planets and learn more -
>> literally, after-all we are made of that stuff, nuclear physics by
>> introspection.  Moreno thought that would happen, but without going
>> that far, as a social, psychological science there is more scope here.
>> The analytical methods often destroy the subject matter before they
>> examine it, their conclusions about private personal esoteric
>> experience will be limited.  Sociometry has a future here I think.
>>
>>
>> Warm wishes,
>>
>> Walter
>>
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