A sociatric vision

[Ivo Banaco]

I like your last paragraph Anath. Have you got any thoughts on that
potential redefinition of therapy and the organizations that should support
it?
Ivo

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:15 PM, thana ag <anathga at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Dear Adam,
> I pointed out to the second sentence as an example of lack of
> clarity,begging the Q -why therapy.:
> " But no adequate therapy can be prescribed as long as mankind is not a
> unity in same fashion and as long as its organization remains unknown.
> "(p.3)
> As I read the sentence: As long as mankind is not in unity,and its
> organization (the unity's? therapy's ?)remains unknown-no adequate therapy
> can be prescribed.
> But if mankind is in unity(either b/c global threat to its existence forces
> its to unite,and give up on egoism-or else it is will be destroyed,or is in
> unity due to  education  and enlightened choice,etc,as Adam suggests,and
> most spiritual leaders-if that is the case-why need therapy?
>
> Unless therapy then gets redefined-the organization of which is unknown at
> this point.
> anath
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: peterhowie at macquariehouse.com.au
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> Subject: Re: A sociatric vision
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:54:40 +1000
>
>
> Dear Adam,
> One aspect of the grail legend I like is when the question is put (to a
> young Arthur? - can't quite remember) "Whom do you serve?" which is such a
> good question. In some of the men's movements in Qld this is a centrally
> asked question and is used in rituals and stories. At the web site
> http://www.pathwaysfoundation.com.au/ you can see some of the work folks
> are doing in this area. and some is getting grants and others forms of
> mainstream support.
>
> While they could sure use some psychodramatic/sociodramatic methods they do
> a good job as is. It is one rea I am trying to influence but it is more
> conservative than the main stream world.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 15/04/2009, at 1:08 AM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>
> Hi, all. Re the 2nd sentence of Moreno's WSS: Wow, a big order. ... . But
> no adequate therapy can be prescribed as long as mankind is not a unity in
> same fashion and as long as its organization remains unknown. (p.3)
>
>          Well, it's worth analyzing this vision: My own focus tends to be
> on building the infrastructure. The goal in general is okay. One might
> re-state it in many ways, but I am reminded of a verse from that 1970s song
> by the Youngboods "Come on people, smile on your brother, everybody get
> together, try to love one another right now."
> http://www.rhapsody.com/the-youngbloods/best-of-the-youngbloods/get-together/lyrics.html
>
>
>            The infrastructure I mentioned involves a development of skills
> in the general population in the areas of communications, self-awareness,
> and emotional problem-solving. (
> http://www.blatner.com/adam/level2/dramaed.htm )  I see psychodramatic
> methods' main applications (with the greatest impact in the long run) in the
> areas of education and community-building, and maybe even recreation. (e.g.
> improv classes, personal development classes).
>
>            While psychotherapy has been the center of gravity for the
> mid-late 20th century, it is quickly pricing itself out of access by most
> people; and its premise appeals primarily to that small, if not tiny
> minority who are actually interested in changing their own consciousness.
> (Most folks wouldn't find the idea appealing, it seems to me, and even those
> words, "consciousness expansion," would seem foreign and "woo-woo" to most
> folks I encounter. Is that true about not your friends but your relatives?)
>
>      Applications in addictionology are intriguing in one respect: A
> certain portion of people with addictions are bright and energetic and if
> they can get it, as did Bill W., they become forces for good in the world.
> Humbled by having seduced themselves, they may be more able to see how
> people are being seduced by inner and outer temptations in a score of
> different ways.
>
>      (My theory of the rite of passage for young people in the postmodern
> world is a ritual in which they'd see that the battle against evil doesn't
> involve one demonic bad guy and one to several superheroes, but something a
> little closer to the grail legend: The real battle is within, the higher,
> more nobler self being taught and empowered to recognize and challenge the
> seductions of a hundred inner demons or personifications of lower-self, who
> would work to achieve the short-term goals of illusory power, complacency,
> mental insulation, reliance on the cultural conserve, the safety of status,
> stability of social arrangements, and so forth. I envision a ritual in which
> all these ways of keeping people caught up in mild psychopathology ---and
> they're almost universal, to some degree--- would be enacted; the initiate
> would need to work out in small psychodramas ways of confronting and getting
> by these seductions or blockages. ... )
>
>     The point here is that people need to stop projecting their shadow
> complexes outward and trying to fight the evil they see "out there," and
> begin instead to recognize (a) the dynamic of  projection, which is one of
> the more powerful aforementioned demons; (b) the need to own and then
> discipline the sources of shadow complex. Many of these are okay needs that
> tend to get grabby, overshoot the mark because of fear. So, for example, the
> healthy desire to be effective gets over-extended into the desire for
> one-upsmanship; superiority, as Adler meant it, can be a healthy sense of
> mastery or it can transform into the illusory feeling of being better
> than---often because one has devalued another! And there are scores of other
> dynamics to be recognized and overcome, such as the many "Games People Play"
> described by Eric Berne.
>
>      Warmly, Adam
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