Sociatric Practices of the Method

Edward Schreiber edwschreiber at earthlink.net
Wed Oct 15 14:47:55 CDT 2008 

Hi Cynthia,
Much thanks for your wise sense of things.
Although I use more Morenean terms, we are saying much the same -
As all this unfolds in the conserve we are living in, this sharing  
with one another, this forming a community of practitioners is  
vital.  Your contributions have always caught my heart - much much  
thanks!

Ed
On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:19 AM, CGayle wrote:

> Ed,
> I love what you are describing here.  This Awakened or Awakening  
> Force, or Presence, is what spiritual directors tune into and guide  
> from when companioning others on their spiritual path.  Many do  
> this through a silent contemplative process (a different kind of  
> focus than meditation).  Currently, using expressive arts in  
> spiritual direction are a leading edge in the field.  Both in  
> psychodrama and spiritual direction, one follows what I call the  
> Divine Flow.  Spontaneity and Creativity are the outward  
> manifestations of this Divine Flow.  Spiritual directors, who use  
> what is called the contemplative evocative method, follow the  
> internal movement of this Divine Flow....and also look to the  
> movement toward or away from this Divine Flow in the patterns in  
> one's life.
>
> Where spiritual directors, or other spiritual practitioners, do not  
> have skills is understanding what I call the movement of God  
> between us.  Spiritual direction done in groups is an individual  
> process in a group setting, with feedback from others.  Many  
> spiritual folks want to live and teach living our highest spiritual  
> ideals in how to treat others, yet don't have skills of how to get  
> there when it comes to life in the complexity of groups, and thus  
> in healing society.
>
> I am very intrigued with what you are saying about how the process  
> of healing and connection to the Godhead impacts then sociometric  
> connections in groups.  I know that is the core of psychodrama, yet  
> you have much to offer in illuminating greater understanding on  
> sociometry and sociatry.  I know you are leading workshops on  
> this.  I also encourage you to write about his extensively.  I  
> would love to read about this and get more detail and understanding!
>
> Godspeed,
> Cynthia Gayle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edward Schreiber
> To: Grouptalk Listserv
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:52 PM
> Subject: Sociatric Practices of the Method
>
>
>>
>>> From: Edward Schreiber <edwschreiber at earthlink.net>
>>> Date: October 14, 2008 5:41:52 PM EDT
>>> To: "Ivo Banaco" <ibanaco at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Ken Wilbur
>>>
>>> Dear Ivo,
> I
>>> I want to print this out and think about it, add my thoughts to  
>>> your work and organization
>>> we - you mostly - are really onto something
>>>
>>> much of what an apprentice from a school is doing with me now he is
>>> taking the sociatric theories of Moreno, what he saw when he  
>>> looked into the world
>>> and he is making them into formulas
>>> what is mind-blowing is that we are
>>> seeing the entire theory, all of it, method, theory, philosphy,  
>>> techniques all of Moreno
>>> encoded into 3 codes
>>> in other words, each code is 1/3 of a whole theory
>>> the 3 codes, which is the whole theory, are pictures he drew to  
>>> represent a whole part of the entire body of knowledge he left to us
>>> it is the interface and sequencing of the 3 coded pictures that  
>>> is the most important - each sequence is different and is a whole  
>>> other
>>> way of applying the method
>>> but here is the issue:
>>> the method is fundamentally about unlocking the psyche to an  
>>> encounter directly with the Godhead
>>> and then
>>> stabilizing it within the being as an "autonomous healing center"
>>> and
>>> then AS THIS HAPPENS this autonomous healing center emerges in a  
>>> group and reorganizes the sociometry in such a way it illuminates  
>>> first the sociodynamic effect to the group and then - it reorders  
>>> the sociodynamic effect into circles within the group, different  
>>> ways of forming circles, which returns members to a role within a  
>>> circle of life and returns life - to the circle.
>>>
>>> This is all happening in a group that I am working with at Lesley  
>>> University in which I am finding-feeling-seeing myself "being  
>>> directed by an Awakened or Awakening Force moving in me and  
>>> directing me" which is what Zerka has taught happens to her, and  
>>> now I know directly what this is about and now Lesley students  
>>> are starting to feel this and begin to form cognition (language,  
>>> expression, creativity) around the experience they are beginning  
>>> to have.  The most advanced students are women of color.
>>>
>>> So, I welcome lots of conversation now and before I teach in  
>>> Portugal.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Ivo Banaco wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quite a challenge Ed!
>>>>
>>>> This quote by Moreno is so deep that I have to add other  
>>>> elements of the Ken Wilber's integral theory to the quadrants,  
>>>> namely levels, lines, states and types. In all quadrants there  
>>>> are levels, lines, states and types.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For example, in the upper left, levels could be the evolving  
>>>> self from birth (e.g. pre-personal, personal, trans-personal)  
>>>> and lines (e.g. the multiple intelligences of the human beings   
>>>> - see Howard Gardner – like the cognitive intelligence, spatial  
>>>> capabilities, morals, ethics and so on). Types are the  
>>>> horizontal differences, personality types, etc. States could be  
>>>> moods, but it is often used with reference the various types of  
>>>> spiritual experiences.
>>>>
>>>> In the lower left we have the same 4 elements but with different  
>>>> characteristics, levels of cultural development since the birth  
>>>> of humanity, different types of cultures, and so.
>>>>
>>>> For me when Moreno says "The discovery that human society has an  
>>>> actual, dynamic, central structure
>>>> underlying and determining all its peripheral and formal  
>>>> groupings may one day
>>>> be considered as the cornerstone of all social science." – I  
>>>> feel he found with his large vision these same 4 quadrants, this  
>>>> same dynamic, diversity, that is shared by all human beings at a  
>>>> deeper level. I see the point from which the 4 quadrant arrows  
>>>> develop as the big bang or the ever present origin from where we  
>>>> all were born.
>>>>
>>>> "This central structure - once it has been identified - is  
>>>> either found or discernible in every form of human
>>>> society, from the most primitive to the most civilized." – the  
>>>> levels in all quadrants.
>>>>
>>>> "It exerts a determining influence upon every sphere in which  
>>>> the factor of human interrelations is an active agent - in  
>>>> economics, biology, social pathology, politics, government and  
>>>> similar spheres of social action." – All quadrants, all levels,  
>>>> all lines, all states, all types.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Ivo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Edward Schreiber  
>>>> <edwschreiber at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Ivo,
>>>> How would you work with this quote, using the 4 Quadrants?
>>>>
>>>> The discovery that human society has an actual, dynamic, central  
>>>> structure
>>>> underlying and determining all its peripheral and formal  
>>>> groupings may one day
>>>> be considered as the cornerstone of all social science.  This  
>>>> central structure -
>>>> once it has been identified - is either found or discernible in  
>>>> every form of human
>>>> society, from the most primitive to the most civilized: it is  
>>>> the genesis of every type
>>>> of society.  In addition, it exerts a determining influence upon  
>>>> every sphere in which
>>>> the factor of human interrelations is an active agent - in  
>>>> economics, biology, social
>>>> pathology, politics, government and similar spheres of social  
>>>> action.
>>>>
>>>> JL Moreno
>>>>
>>>> How would we "deconstruct" this quote and move it into the 4  
>>>> quadrants?  I would be
>>>> interested in working together on that!
>>>>
>>>> Ed
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