structure, unity, generalizations2

Tue Oct 14 05:09:54 CDT 2008

Dear Adam and all,

I want to thank you for this powerful reply of yours. You spot with
brilliance my disowned shadows presented in my sentences. It's amazing to
find out that it is indeed possible to discern and in fact read between the
lines the hidden messages and emotions . Psychodrama could be indeed
possible through forums like this. And that's not, I think, so obvious at
all if we consider that we have a less spontaneous interaction and could use
a more rational and prepared arguments.

I  think in our informational era, the importance that the written form has
and how badly it is treated, particularly by the media, but also by the blog
sphere and generally by Internet have to be a central concern for our
society. The distorted messages, the shadow projections, the toxic
arguments...

Adam, I can see your point of giving more emphasis on action methods rather
than bold statements. Perhaps we really need both, if we think the people
who have the social power are the ones that can influence groups with
nothing but illusions (but than using manipulative power and individual
agendas). We need both an approach where we can communicate to the heart of
people and simultaneously to deliver really concrete action methods. Is it
possible to put the emphasis in both?

Thanks again Adam for such a strong answer, the ones that make our weekends
lost in reflections, insights and understandings...hopefully so... :).

Best wishes,
Ivo

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Yordana Hristozova <jhristozova at evrocom.net
> wrote:

>  Thanks Adam and Ivo for revealing few psychodramatical scenes through
> writing.
> For me it was pleasure reading Adam's interpretation on it.
>
> Adam, such approach could be a good introduction to your lecture "Why
> writing" at the lifelong programme. I am sorry that living overseas I
> cannot view it, but hope that technology could help, providing more
> open space through internet, widening the boundaries...?
>
> Ivo, personally I liked writing a lot(my job is a philologist), before
> being faced with psychodrama.
> Yordana,
> psychodrama consultant
>
> Bulgaria
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Adam Blatner <ablatner at verizon.net>
> *To:* Ivo Banaco <ibanaco at gmail.com>
> *Cc:*
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:38 AM
> *Subject:* structure, unity, generalizations2
>
> Dear Ivo and others,
>      1. IB: For me it's a little bit uncomfortable to enter in this and
> other debates with this group without a feeling that I don't have the right
> to do so, especially when we are talking about the great Adam Blatner.
>      ab: Please please don't idealize or elevate me. It makes me very
> uncomfortable. Certainly anyone can chime in. The only criteria I use is
> whether the ideas presented seem to be rational or plausible.  We must
> challenge the transference!
>
>      2. I feel like I am jumping well ahead of what I am "allowed" to. In
> a way I think I want to break some of cultural conserves around me that
> people don't even notice, but in another way I must respect the useful and
> honourable cultural conserves…it's a difficult ambivalence to solve within
> me.
>       ab: Are there any conserves around you? Are there any on grouptalk,
> or do you project them there? Were some people in your
> background authoritarian? This is a good opportunity to give yourself a
> corrective emotional experience. Consider for starters that we will allow
> you to do anything you would allow us to do.
>          This isn't just aimed at you. There are other newcomers who have
> been similarly shy, and assume conserves of in-group clique-ism. It is
> courteous to check, and I hope I can reassure you.
>
>      3. I'm a Portuguese, a 27 year's old man and I'm an Economist
> Researcher working in a financial institution (yes, I am following this
> financial and economical crisis!). But I feel, first of all, that I don't
> fit in that standard and stereotyped jacket. I am a thinker and intent to be
> a practitioner and what I feel is that psychodrama, sociodrama and sociatry
> could offer me that. Theory and Practice must form a strong link, as Yin and
> Yang form a perfect and harmoniously circle.
>          ab: do you think we will stereotype you because you're in the
> world of economics?
>      I am also a little afraid of being stereotyped as a psychiatrist (who
> often have a poor reputation in the USA at least, I'm sorry to say); and
> because I live in Texas, where it seems people ask if I'm just like all the
> Texans who voted for George W. Bush...
>
>       4. IB: So I feel an outsider (and in fact I am), and I must
> apologize for that.
>    ab: What if  you don't have to apologize. What if we welcome anyone who
> wil play with us, as long as they are not cruel to us?
>
>      5. IB  However, I am in this web group with the best of my intentions
> as I really want to help to build a strong multi-disciplinary communication,
> promoting and spreading the wonderful tools that you have, that is a
> wonderful contribution that all of you are giving to the health of this
> slightly crazy world. Adam, I am a great admirer of your work (I am still
> reading all your material…which is great, I already told you that). So my
> reflections are just from a student of yours. I share Adam's concerns
> about the great ambitions and illusive goals about saving the world with
> some fixed specific methods, independently of their time, space, level, type
> of group, etc. We are "just" human beings, and we must feel our humbleness
> and limitations about what we can really deliver.
>
>         AB: I don't object to having great hopes for the world. I have a
> few myself, in believing that our methods---applied role theory mixed with
> various Morenian methods---offer good tools for building an infrastructure
> of more mature and flexible consciousness.
>             It's just that merely talking about sociatry won't do the job
> unless we come up with more specific suggestions.
>
>     6.  However, I don't want unconsciously imitate Moreno, I want
> consciously imitate him! And by that, I mean to have a grand vision, a grand
> goal, and a metaphysical stance to devote my life to. When Adam say "We
> should explore ways we can implement various models and create new one" who
> don't agree with him? But for what purpose we want to create those new
> models and new creations? What is the underlying goal?
>        ab: My goal is neither too grandiose nor too modest. Helping people
> have tools.
>  Using our approaches to promote a variety of other causes, such as:
>         -- interfaith spirituality     -- social and emotional learning in
> schools and at work        -- sociodrama as a pedagogic method in education
> in high school, college, adult education      -- teaching mature adults and
> elders in lifelong learning programs about "psychological literacy,"     --
> promoting playfulness and imagination (art of play)   --promoting various
> types of interactive and improvisational drama (at least 30 approaches
> mentioned in my anthology),     -- revisions in contemporary theology
> and so forth..
>
>     7.  We can use all the semantic that we want but we all want to help,
> to heal, to build a better world, so there is no fundamental disagreement.
> We all have an underlying motif, a metaphysical stance that moves us day
> after day. And I believe as bigger and stronger that vision is, the bigger
> the effort to move forward. Moreno didn't change the world, but he left is
> mark that is being followed by all of us. Utopia is needed, because it
> always represents the creative forces in action. When there is no utopia
> there is no creativity.
>           ab: agree but with a slight emphasis on being not satisfied with
> general platitudes and pushing gently towards specific applications
>
>     8. A great thing that Adam said was that there are no structures out
> there waiting to be seen – the myth of the given – but structures to be
> discern, always evolving in a co-creative process. But that doesn't mean
> that we, as human beings don't have pre-given predispositions and creativity
> itself is one of them, and whatever techniques psychodrama, sociodrama or
> sociatry will develop in the future to deal with a ever evolving world
> should always restore the spontaneity-creativity axis of the human being,
> and that is, I think, an ever-present endowment in all stages, in all
> cultures, in all epochs.
>        ab: agree      also, agree with Jung's concept of archetypes... but
> how they're manifested can vary with culture...
>
>     9. IB  In our relative world, we shouldn't deny the absolute; in the
> complexity of our diversity we should recognize our commonality. That
> tension is always there, it's an ever-present tension; it's an ever-present
> paradox.    ab:  yes.
>
> 10. The best for all of you,  Ivo    ab: and you too... adam
>
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