Sociometry of Training
Sylvia Israel
sylvia at imaginecenter.net
Sat Nov 22 00:35:00 CST 2008
As a fairly new TEP, I also would also be interested, (as Linda Ciotola
wrote), to see the manual Edie developed as well as any checklists of
skills.
My email is sylvia at imaginecenter.net.
Sylvia Israel
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> Re: Sociometry of Training : as a PAT and someone who just took the TEP
> written and has scheduled the on-site, I want to say that I'd love to see
> the manual that Edie developed, the check-lists used by Kate and others
> and the Toronto Center's,too, as well as Rebecca's and anyone else willing
> to share from their experience and wisdom . You may contact me via
> vegmom at closecall.com Many thanks, Linda Ciotola
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:31:39 +0000
> From: drkatetsi at mac.com
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> Hey adam
>
> Given that I just returned fr 6 weeks work in china I don't even know who is
> running as I haven't gotten to my mail yet....but I thought ur email
> interesting.
>
> Zerka often talks about how the promise of sociometry has not been fulfilled
> and is often overlooked. So I hope ur questions do stimulate some thoughts
> and discussion.
>
> For sure I see sociometry at work in china. It is called guan
> xi......getting something based on your relationship connections. And has
> powerful implications given the government there as well.
>
> I am glad my training program is so clearly based on behavioural achievement
> of hands on skills from checklists people get after each time they are on a
> team. As there have been many pulls to pass people based on relationship
> that I have been able to resist by returning to the checklists.
>
> Tx as always for bringing up the risky topics! Kate
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Blatner <ablatner at verizon.net>
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:33:36
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:20:57 -0600
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> Subject: sociometry of training
> To: <drkatetsi at mac.com>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> Kate Hudgins brings up another point that I want to echo.
>
> 1. She notes "...the way sociometry at work in China. It is called guan
> xi......getting
> something based on your relationship connections."
>
> 2. Notes also that her training is measured by check-lists! Their
> supervisors assess
> hands-on skills according to these lists "...people get after each time they
> are on a
> team. As there have been many pulls to pass people based on relationship
> that I have been
> able to resist by returning to the checklists."
> Wow! Now that I've thought of this, and the workshops I've done, some
> training
> activities, there has been a range of taking-responsibility an demonstration
> of
> competence" for which there are few built-in indicators or feedback. People
> just
> accumulate "hours," but with what quality participation? Mere attendance
> should not be the
> only criterion.
>
> It is a risky topic indeed. Warmly, Adam
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:23:05 -0500
> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>, <drkatetsi at mac.com>,
> <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> Yes, I agree with Kate. Not only as a clinical supervisor and a therapist
> but as a former trainee I can say that behavioral objectives keep it clear
> for everyone. Patti
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam Blatner<mailto:ablatner at verizon.net>
> To: drkatetsi at mac.com<mailto:drkatetsi at mac.com> ;
> list at grouptalkweb.org<mailto:list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:20 PM
> Subject: sociometry of training
>
>
> Kate Hudgins brings up another point that I want to echo.
>
> 1. She notes "...the way sociometry at work in China. It is called guan
> xi......getting
> something based on your relationship connections."
>
> 2. Notes also that her training is measured by check-lists! Their
> supervisors assess
> hands-on skills according to these lists "...people get after each time
> they are on a
> team. As there have been many pulls to pass people based on relationship
> that I have been
> able to resist by returning to the checklists."
> Wow! Now that I've thought of this, and the workshops I've done, some
> training
> activities, there has been a range of taking-responsibility an
> demonstration of
> competence" for which there are few built-in indicators or feedback.
> People just
> accumulate "hours," but with what quality participation? Mere attendance
> should not be the
> only criterion.
>
> It is a risky topic indeed. Warmly, Adam
>
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:30:49 -0500
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>, <drkatetsi at mac.com>,
> <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> The Toronto Center has a very elaborate check list of specific skills and
> experiences. Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute has a less elaborate check
> list, but we do require students to show that they have attained a certain
> competency in basic skills and once a student has had a couple of hundred
> hours we meet with them to discuss their strengths and challenges, and what
> they might need to do to meet criteria for endorsement. I suspect that that
> is true of most ongoing programs. It can't even just be about hours as the
> primary trainer must endorse the student based on clear criteria set out by
> the American Board of examiners..
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> To: <drkatetsi at mac.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:20 PM
> Subject: sociometry of training
>
>
>
>> Kate Hudgins brings up another point that I want to echo.
>>
>> 1. She notes "...the way sociometry at work in China. It is called guan
>> xi......getting something based on your relationship connections."
>>
>> 2. Notes also that her training is measured by check-lists! Their
>> supervisors assess hands-on skills according to these lists "...people get
>>
>
>
>> after each time they are on a team. As there have been many pulls to pass
>>
>
>
>> people based on relationship that I have been able to resist by returning
>> to the checklists."
>> Wow! Now that I've thought of this, and the workshops I've done, some
>> training activities, there has been a range of taking-responsibility an
>> demonstration of competence" for which there are few built-in indicators
>> or feedback. People just accumulate "hours," but with what quality
>> participation? Mere attendance should not be the only criterion.
>>
>> It is a risky topic indeed. Warmly, Adam
>>
>> Grouptalk mailing list
>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:21:11 -0600
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> In the 1970s, I think the St. Elizabeth's Hospital (Washington DC)
> Psychodrama Program
> created a syllabus for training---of sorts.
> In the 1980s, Evie Lotze created a 3-volume training manual.
> Eventually, it might be possible to create one that had the input of
> a number of
> active trainers, reflected a degree of consensus, and might in turn be used
> for new TEPs
> as an aid in their work.
> Hm?
> The ol' "pooling of different efforts" game?
>
> The reason I don't do it is that I am not active as a trainer
> now. It should
> be done by folks who encounter the most common problems in training! What do
> trainers find
> themselves dealing with that makes them sweat a little?
> (Anyone can handle the easy stuff. As I saw at a tailor's shop: "Our
> difficult
> customers are the ones that make us earn our money. Otherwise the guy down
> the block could
> do the job at half the work and half the price.")
>
> warmly, Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <drkatetsi at mac.com>;
> <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
>
>
>
>> The Toronto Center has a very elaborate check list of specific skills and
>> experiences. Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute has a less elaborate
>>
> check
>
>> list, but we do require students to show that they have attained a certain
>> competency in basic skills and once a student has had a couple of hundred
>> hours we meet with them to discuss their strengths and challenges, and
>>
> what
>
>> they might need to do to meet criteria for endorsement. I suspect that
>>
> that
>
>> is true of most ongoing programs. It can't even just be about hours as the
>> primary trainer must endorse the student based on clear criteria set out
>>
> by
>
>> the American Board of examiners..
>> Rebecca
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
>> To: <drkatetsi at mac.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:20 PM
>> Subject: sociometry of training
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kate Hudgins brings up another point that I want to echo.
>>>
>>> 1. She notes "...the way sociometry at work in China. It is called guan
>>> xi......getting something based on your relationship connections."
>>>
>>> 2. Notes also that her training is measured by check-lists! Their
>>> supervisors assess hands-on skills according to these lists "...people
>>>
> get
>
>>> after each time they are on a team. As there have been many pulls to
>>>
> pass
>
>>> people based on relationship that I have been able to resist by returning
>>> to the checklists."
>>> Wow! Now that I've thought of this, and the workshops I've done, some
>>> training activities, there has been a range of taking-responsibility an
>>> demonstration of competence" for which there are few built-in indicators
>>> or feedback. People just accumulate "hours," but with what quality
>>> participation? Mere attendance should not be the only criterion.
>>>
>>> It is a risky topic indeed. Warmly, Adam
>>>
>>> Grouptalk mailing list
>>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:41:57 -0500
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> I think at one time, before I was a trainer, there was an attempt to have a
> federation of trainers and one goal was to have a common curriculum. I think
>
> this would be a terrific idea...but I know from students who attend our
> directing intensives, ones who come from training programs all over the
> country, that many trainers still train by directing psychodramas with very
> little actual teaching and very little practicing directing skills. I
> imagine these different styles of training would prevent there being a
> consensus about what competencies are basic skills. But it is an awfully
> interesting idea.
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
>
>
>
>> In the 1970s, I think the St. Elizabeth's Hospital (Washington DC)
>> Psychodrama Program created a syllabus for training---of sorts.
>> In the 1980s, Evie Lotze created a 3-volume training manual.
>> Eventually, it might be possible to create one that had the input of
>>
>
>
>> a number of active trainers, reflected a degree of consensus, and might in
>>
>
>
>> turn be used for new TEPs as an aid in their work.
>> Hm?
>> The ol' "pooling of different efforts" game?
>>
>> The reason I don't do it is that I am not active as a trainer
>> now. It should be done by folks who encounter the most common problems in
>> training! What do trainers find themselves dealing with that makes them
>> sweat a little?
>> (Anyone can handle the easy stuff. As I saw at a tailor's shop: "Our
>> difficult customers are the ones that make us earn our money. Otherwise
>> the guy down the block could do the job at half the work and half the
>> price.")
>>
>> warmly, Adam
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
>> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <drkatetsi at mac.com>;
>> <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
>>
>>
>>
>>> The Toronto Center has a very elaborate check list of specific skills and
>>> experiences. Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute has a less elaborate
>>> check
>>> list, but we do require students to show that they have attained a
>>> certain
>>> competency in basic skills and once a student has had a couple of hundred
>>> hours we meet with them to discuss their strengths and challenges, and
>>> what
>>> they might need to do to meet criteria for endorsement. I suspect that
>>> that
>>> is true of most ongoing programs. It can't even just be about hours as
>>> the
>>> primary trainer must endorse the student based on clear criteria set out
>>> by
>>> the American Board of examiners..
>>> Rebecca
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
>>> To: <drkatetsi at mac.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:20 PM
>>> Subject: sociometry of training
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kate Hudgins brings up another point that I want to echo.
>>>>
>>>> 1. She notes "...the way sociometry at work in China. It is called guan
>>>> xi......getting something based on your relationship connections."
>>>>
>>>> 2. Notes also that her training is measured by check-lists! Their
>>>> supervisors assess hands-on skills according to these lists "...people
>>>> get
>>>> after each time they are on a team. As there have been many pulls to
>>>> pass
>>>> people based on relationship that I have been able to resist by
>>>> returning
>>>> to the checklists."
>>>> Wow! Now that I've thought of this, and the workshops I've done, some
>>>> training activities, there has been a range of taking-responsibility an
>>>> demonstration of competence" for which there are few built-in indicators
>>>> or feedback. People just accumulate "hours," but with what quality
>>>> participation? Mere attendance should not be the only criterion.
>>>>
>>>> It is a risky topic indeed. Warmly, Adam
>>>>
>>>> Grouptalk mailing list
>>>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>>>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:19:51 -0600
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> Subject: Federation of Trainers
> To: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>, <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> Yes, the Federation operated from around 1979 through 1987 or thereabouts. A
> survey of
> members indicated that it had become a little too expensive to try to have
> another meeting
> apart from the ASGPP conference. Whatever feelings of possible conflicts of
> interest among
> the ASGPP, the newly-hatched American Board of Examiners, and the Trainers
> seemed to have
> been melted. The meetings of the Federation of Trainers and Training
> Programs in
> Psychodrama (FOTATPIP) had become more like an ASGPP conference.
> The group cohesion, though cordial, wasn't enough to tackle such
> tasks as
> --- definitions (I don't remember if that theme had come
> up at that
> point)
> -- check list or common training curriculum or manual (I
> think that is
> what stimulated Evie Lotze, but that was a little later)
> etc.
>
> As institutions mature, Board Members of the ABExaminers might want
> to survey and
> consider such measures.
>
> It's a good question. Input from the FEPTO (European organization)
> might be
> useful.
>
> Warmly, Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
>
>
>
>> I think at one time, before I was a trainer, there was an attempt to have a
>> federation of trainers and one goal was to have a common curriculum. I
>>
> think
>
>> this would be a terrific idea...but I know from students who attend our
>> directing intensives, ones who come from training programs all over the
>> country, that many trainers still train by directing psychodramas with
>>
> very
>
>> little actual teaching and very little practicing directing skills. I
>> imagine these different styles of training would prevent there being a
>> consensus about what competencies are basic skills. But it is an awfully
>> interesting idea.
>> Rebecca
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
>> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
>>
>>
>>
>>> In the 1970s, I think the St. Elizabeth's Hospital (Washington DC)
>>> Psychodrama Program created a syllabus for training---of sorts.
>>> In the 1980s, Evie Lotze created a 3-volume training manual.
>>> Eventually, it might be possible to create one that had the input
>>>
> of
>
>>> a number of active trainers, reflected a degree of consensus, and might
>>>
> in
>
>>> turn be used for new TEPs as an aid in their work.
>>> Hm?
>>> The ol' "pooling of different efforts" game?
>>>
>>> The reason I don't do it is that I am not active as a trainer
>>> now. It should be done by folks who encounter the most common problems in
>>> training! What do trainers find themselves dealing with that makes them
>>> sweat a little?
>>> (Anyone can handle the easy stuff. As I saw at a tailor's shop: "Our
>>> difficult customers are the ones that make us earn our money. Otherwise
>>> the guy down the block could do the job at half the work and half the
>>> price.")
>>>
>>> warmly, Adam
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "HV Psychodrama" <hvpi at hvc.rr.com>
>>> To: "Adam Blatner" <adam at blatner.com>; <drkatetsi at mac.com>;
>>> <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: sociometry of training
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Toronto Center has a very elaborate check list of specific skills
>>>>
> and
>
>>>> experiences. Hudson Valley Psychodrama Institute has a less elaborate
>>>> check
>>>> list, but we do require students to show that they have attained a
>>>> certain
>>>> competency in basic skills and once a student has had a couple of
>>>>
> hundred
>
>>>> hours we meet with them to discuss their strengths and challenges, and
>>>> what
>>>> they might need to do to meet criteria for endorsement. I suspect that
>>>> that
>>>> is true of most ongoing programs. It can't even just be about hours as
>>>> the
>>>> primary trainer must endorse the student based on clear criteria set out
>>>> by
>>>> the American Board of examiners..
>>>> Rebecca
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
>>>> To: <drkatetsi at mac.com>; <list at grouptalkweb.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:20 PM
>>>> Subject: sociometry of training
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kate Hudgins brings up another point that I want to echo.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. She notes "...the way sociometry at work in China. It is called
>>>>>
> guan
>
>>>>> xi......getting something based on your relationship connections."
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Notes also that her training is measured by check-lists! Their
>>>>> supervisors assess hands-on skills according to these lists "...people
>>>>> get
>>>>> after each time they are on a team. As there have been many pulls to
>>>>> pass
>>>>> people based on relationship that I have been able to resist by
>>>>> returning
>>>>> to the checklists."
>>>>> Wow! Now that I've thought of this, and the workshops I've done,
>>>>>
> some
>
>>>>> training activities, there has been a range of taking-responsibility an
>>>>> demonstration of competence" for which there are few built-in
>>>>>
> indicators
>
>>>>> or feedback. People just accumulate "hours," but with what quality
>>>>> participation? Mere attendance should not be the only criterion.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a risky topic indeed. Warmly, Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> Grouptalk mailing list
>>>>> List at grouptalkweb.org
>>>>> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
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> Is this what Moreno "saw" intuitively when he looked at groups of people, noticed currents of positive and negative rapport?
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