psychotherapy by telephone

Mon Aug 4 19:42:01 CDT 2008

Dear Rosa,

I support the enjoyment and value of your book. I have already given my 
first copy away as a present and I am getting another one.

With regards to the telephone there is one reference Moreno makes in one of 
his little papers - forget what he called them, there were a series - where 
he is talking to a woman who has what he considers, unfinished issues with 
her divorced husband. He phones the ex-husband and asks him if he will 
cooperate. The man says yes. Moreno conducts a short two person vignette 
where he has a trained auxiliary listen to his responses on the phone and 
then enact them. It helps the woman.

I give this example as both a gutsy effort to utilise technology and also 
to bring people together who know what is happening.

Cheers

Peter in Brisbane, Australia

At 11:25 PM 8/4/2008 +0000, thana ag wrote:
>Dear Rosa,
>I have been conducting  therapy  over the phone for over  25years,though I 
>don't think there was ever a mention by Moreno about it.
>I do even Psychodrama a deux over the phone.
>In the true spirit od spontaneity : I assume Moreno would've embraced new 
>ways of dealing with the therapeutic process.,when distance,time 
>constraints etc,make it impossible to meet face to face.
>I usually have first few encounters in person. My preference is to meet in 
>person.
>I definitely should write a paper about it(a wink to ADAM)
>Hope this is helpful.
>I liked your book.
>anath garber
> > From: rosacukier at uol.com.br
> > To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> > Subject: psychotherapy by telephone
> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:13:41 -0300
> >
> > Hy Adam and coleagues
> >
> > I need some help around the issue of psychotherapy delivered by telephone
> > or internet.
> > a.. Do you know any reference of Moreno talking about delivering
> > therapy by telephone?
> > b.. Is there any article about psychodrama by telephone?
> > c.. Is it permitted by APAS law of ettics?
> > Thank you very much, it is a new subject in Brazil and I think that in
> > USA and Europe it is more discussed than here.
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> > > 1. Re: Peace-building & psychodrama (SaphiraL at aol.com)
> > > 2. Re: List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 31 Janet (Deborah Karner)
> > > 3. Theatre of the Oppressed (Adam Blatner)
> > > 4. Re: Sociometry (Effie Best)
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> > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:47:52 EDT
> > > From: SaphiraL at aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: Peace-building & psychodrama
> > > To: Andreachf at aol.com, list at grouptalkweb.org
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> > > Dear Andrea,
> > > This has always been my interest in professional theater projects as 
> well
> > > as
> > > psychodrama and drama therapy.
> > > My colleague and I created a 10 minute play called MOTHERBLOOD, an
> > > encounter
> > > between an Israeli Woman and a Palestinian woman, both of whom lost a
> > > child
> > > in the conflict. Within 10 minutes we have included both the major
> > > socio-political issues (on both sides) as well as the range of emotional
> > > expression
> > > between the two women. It is our belief that if Jerusalem, the so-called
> > > city of
> > > peace, perhaps the heart chakra of the world, which has been the seat of
> > > more bloodshed in the name of religion, could come to peace, then the
> > > ripples
> > > may be felt all over the world.
> > > When the play is over, we put the audience in groups and have them 
> discuss
> > > the play and then envision the next scene toward peace. When 
> appropriate,
> > > we
> > > have them improvise an enactment of that scene.
> > > Using a video of the performance, I presented this at the ASGPP 
> conference
> > > in NY.
> > >
> > > Blessings.
> > > Saphira
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For more information contact:
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> > >
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> > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:51:32 -0400
> > > From: "Deborah Karner" <deborah.karner at rcn.com>
> > > Subject: Re: List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 31 Janet
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> > > Hi to those of you writing about Janet,
> > > I am currently researching trauma and domestic violence and came across
> > > this reference which I have not had time to read due to deadlines 
> realted
> > > to
> > > the research. here is something I found that may be of interest.
> > > a review and summary of Janet's work on psychological trauma:
> > > B. A. van de Kolk & O. van der Hart, "Pierre Janet and the Breakdown of
> > > Adaption in Psychological Trauma," American Journalof Psychiatry 146
> > > (1989):
> > > 1530-40
> > > Hope it's helpful.
> > > deborah karner
> > >
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> > >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:07 +0200
> > >> From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> > >> Subject: Thanks: Patricia, tells more about Janet and how you use it
> > >> for psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> > >> To: PATRICIA DESERT <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> > >> Cc: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>,
> > >> list at grouptalkweb.org, damienlabas at yahoo.fr, HoneyBWomn at aol.com,
> > >> eva at leveton.com, cbaim at hotmail.com
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> > >> Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
> > >> psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ==== ==== ==== ==== ====
> > >> Le 21 juil. 08 ? 04:10, PATRICIA DESERT a ?crit :
> > >>
> > >> Hi Anne--I have only done some reading of Janet because his writing,
> > >> like his contemporaries, is dense and convoluted in many areas, not
> > >> readily available, and the book was on loan to me for only a short
> > >> while some years ago. I don't even remember the title. I was
> > >> fascinated enough to read secondary sources that more easily helped
> > >> me understand what he did. And his findings on dissociation and
> > >> "hysteria" (now identified in the DSM-IV as DID, PTSD, personality
> > >> disorders, etc.) and his treatments using hypnosis are remarkable
> > >> and support a lot of what I have learned and do in psychodrama and in
> > >> my practice as a mind/body/spirit clinician that sees the affective
> > >> system as a critical structure to address in working with clients.
> > >>
> > >> Janet did not address the affective system directly but his work
> > >> recognized sensations as a very real part of consciousness that get
> > >> derailed by the dissociated process. And the affective system is
> > >> what I routinely address in psychodrama work. His concept of
> > >> "psychological force" is also a mainstay in my work and it directly
> > >> speaks to spontaneity and creativity as Moreno conceptualized in his
> > >> Canon of Creativity and throughout his writings.
> > >>
> > >> For example, Janet talked about the "reality connect"--using the
> > >> senses and the mind to be in the moment, free from anxious thoughts,
> > >> images, sensations, etc. and able to exercise sound judgment and make
> > >> accurate meaning out of our experience. As Moreno taught us,
> > >> experience enough anxiety and we will experience a disconnect from
> > >> our creativity. I see this in some ways as Janet's "reality
> > >> disconnect"--a loss of unity with body and mind.
> > >>
> > >> Also, Janet's concept of psychological force and psychological
> > >> tension he describes as the quantity of basic psychic energy
> > >> available to us and our capacity to use it. This is so basic
> > >> Morenian to me--as it precurses Moreno's ideas on spontaneity and
> > >> creativity. And I see this energy sabotaged over and over in clients
> > >> who become overwhelmed with emotion.
> > >>
> > >> And because I view emotion always as a feeling--after all we cannot
> > >> feel a thought right?--I immediately move into interventions that
> > >> help clients reconnect in safe, calming ways with their body. One of
> > >> the primary interventions I use to help clients become "reality
> > >> connected" or in Morenian language, reconnected with their
> > >> spontaneity, is the double and very specifically the TSM body double.
> > >>
> > >> Another intervention is the mirroring structure whereby the
> > >> protagonist sits off stage and
> > >> 1) puts into words the experience to be enacted,
> > >> 2) while doing so chooses auxiliaries and describes their role,
> > >> what to say, etc., and
> > >> 3) watches the enactment.
> > >> This is excellent for a dissociative client as I can titrate the
> > >> action in order to help the client remain present.
> > >> Once h/she can watch without dissociating h/she is ready to move
> > >> into the scene.
> > >> This intervention reflects a core capacity related to Janet's
> > >> "reality connect"
> > >> --the ability to experience a coherent narrative including effects of
> > >> the experience
> > >> while staying in the moment.
> > >>
> > >> Of course, psychodrama is a method that requires action that engages
> > >> all parts of self--mind, body, and spirit. Janet, again in what I
> > >> think was revolutionary for his time and unfortunately derailed by
> > >> Freud's psychoanalytic perspective, made no distinction between the
> > >> intellect, feelings, and what we actually do. He saw thought,
> > >> feelings, and behavior intimately interconnected with consciousness,
> > >> activity, and ideas --all that support a natural push to manifest and
> > >> expand or contract depending on who we are and what we have experienced.
> > >>
> > >> So movement is a key intervention I use. Anxiety in sufficient force
> > >> paralyze so I get the body moving in safe and supportive ways to
> > >> break the paralysis. When we move physical sensations are stimulated
> > >> and provide opportunities for clients to learn how to safely and
> > >> knowledgeably experience their bodies. Sometimes that happens through
> > >> a soft, fluffy pillow toss , other times through appropriate
> > >> laughter, and many times it is to use auxiliaries to personify a
> > >> client's inner reality in positive ways. Strengths building with
> > >> auxiliaries and then role reversing is a wonderful intervention.
> > >>
> > >> As I said Janet did not specifically study the affective system, but
> > >> his concept of dissociation certainly included an understanding that
> > >> sensation was a key component in feeling safe and thinking and acting
> > >> competently and effectively. I believe this is why his treatment
> > >> sessions often included painting or listening to music or sculpting.
> > >> I have used all these types of activities in my psychodrama workshops
> > >> and psychodrama a deux. They consistently reduce anxiety and
> > >> stimulate spontaneity and creativity.
> > >>
> > >> His interventions through hypnosis also give us profoundly effective
> > >> ideas for helping clients heal. And while I don't use hypnosis I
> > >> have applied his idea of using an altered state of consciousness in
> > >> other ways to help clients access their innate spontaneity and
> > >> creativity. They include creative visualization, mindful meditation
> > >> structures, affirmation tapes, stream of consciousness writing, etc.
> > >>
> > >> In some key respects I see Janet's work as a precursor to Moreno's
> > >> ideas. I just wonder if Moreno read his work and was inspired by
> > >> it. They seem so sympatico in some ways.
> > >>
> > >> Top of the evening to you Anne.
> > >> Thanks for asking. Patti
> > >>
> > >> Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
> > >> Singular Pathways
> > >> 208 East Melrose Avenue
> > >> Baltimore, MD 21212
> > >> Phone: 410.435.3755
> > >> Fax: 410.435.0547
> > >> www.singular-pathways.com
> > >> "from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
> > >> - - - - - - - -
> > >> From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> > >> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> > >> CC: Schutzenberger Anne <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>,LABAS Damien
> > >> <damienlabas at yahoo.fr>, Patti <HoneyBWomn at aol.com>,Leveton Eva
> > >> <eva at leveton.com>, BAIM Clark <cbaim at hotmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
> > >> psychodrama (Anne)List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> > >> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:17:30 +0200
> > >> Re: Patricia, do tell more about Piere Janet - a French
> > >> psychiatrist. (1859-1947) and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)-
> > >> List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> > >>
> > >> Dear Patti
> > >>
> > >> Please,explain more what you take from Pierre Janet and his
> > >> "perspective and
> > >> theories on feelings." in your work -
> > >> What is it really - nobody explain it on grouptalk, not in real details-
> > >>
> > >> And I am very interrested, aspecially because I am working on a new book
> > >> and new research about what makes psychodrama such an unique
> > >> wonderfull but complex tool, -
> > >> -and what various influences we psychodramatists are under;
> > >> Freud, Janet, Foulkes, Bateson, etc..- or nonverbal communication
> > >> research -
> > >> or theater theories ...
> > >> warmly
> > >> best of best
> > >> anne
> > >> anne ancelin schutzenberger
> > >> Unjiversity Professor, PhD,TEP,group-anayse
> > >> transgenerational analyst
> > >> co-Founder abd actual honorzry archivist IAGP
> > >> -------------------------------------------------------
> > >> anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
> > >> http://www.psychogenealogie.name
> > >> ====== ======
> > >> Le 19 juil. 08 ? 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a ?crit :
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> > >> 1. RE: Subtle oppression anecdote (T. Treadwell)
> > >> 2. RE: Psychodrama Business (PATRICIA DESERT)
> > >> 3. RE: Pierre Janet (PATRICIA DESERT)
> > >> --------------------------
> > >> Message: 3 --- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:14 -0400
> > >> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> > >> Subject: RE: Pierre Janet
> > >> To: adam at blatner.com, eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au, list at grouptalkweb.org
> > >>
> > >> I have read some of Janet's work and resonated with his perspective
> > >> antheories on feelings. I am interested in hearing from others who
> > >> may have read him and what they took away from it. Patti
> > >>
> > >> Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
> > >> Singular Pathways
> > >> 208 East Melrose Avenue
> > >> Baltimore, MD 21212
> > >> Phone: 410.435.3755
> > >> Fax: 410.435.0547
> > >> www.singular-pathways.com
> > >> "from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
> > >> ==
> > >> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> > >> Reply-To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
> > >> To: "Neil Hucker" <eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au>,<list at grouptalkweb.org>
> > >> Subject: Pierre Janet
> > >> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:35 -0500
> > >>
> > >> Dear Neil, thanks for bringing up the name of Pierre Janet. Googling him
> > >> brings up 184,000 hits! He's an important and under-estimated
> > >> thinker who
> > >> has insights that challenged some of Freud's---perhaps explaining
> > >> why his
> > >> work was not fully appreciated during the hegemony of psychoanalysis---a
> > >> hegemony that tended to also devalue the many insights of others,
> > >> such as
> > >> Adler or Jung (who were characterized by the mainstream as merely
> > >> disaffected former disciples with a father complex rather than mature
> > >> colleagues with independent and often valid insights), Assagioli
> > >> (psychosynthesis), Reich, Adolf Meyer, Janet, and so forth.
> > >> So far I haven't heard of anyone who has investigated common
> > >> themes. I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting that Moreno knew
> > >> much ifanything about Janet's work. How is it you have become
> > >> interested? Perhaps you might help us enrich our work by noting
> > >> some arenas where Janet's
> > >> insights might be helpful in our own theory development and practice.
> > >> (And of course I too would be interested if Anne knows of any
> > >> overlap in the French psychological literature.)
> > >> Warmly, Adam
> > >> - - - -
> > >> -- Original Message -- From: Neil Hucker
> > >> To: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger ; list at grouptalkweb.org
> > >> Cc: Schutzenberger Anne ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:39 AM
> > >> Subject::reaction to Anath & Anna Schaum -subtle opression /
> > >> ListDigest, Vol 25, Issue 18
> > >>
> > >> Dear Anne, this is Neil Hucker in Melbourne Australia. I am a
> > >> psychiatrist psychodramatist and I briefly met you in Melbourne when you
> > >> were at the PIM conference.
> > >> I would like to know whether you have any knowledge about Piere
> > >> Janet a
> > >> French psychiatrist. (1859-1947) In particulat whether there has
> > >> been any
> > >> integration of Janet's theory and psychodrama in France.
> > >> regards
> > >> Neil
> > >> ___
> > >> ************************************
> > >> - Some news from Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger (Paris and Argentiere)
> > >> Good long French summer holidays in French Alps
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> > >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:46:25 +1200
> > >> From: "martinputt" <martinputt at orcon.net.nz>
> > >> Subject: psychodrama and clinical supervision
> > >> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> > >> Message-ID: <E1KNnhM-0000g3-Im at mx7.orcon.net.nz>
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> > >>
> > >> Dear All
> > >>
> > >> Hi to all from New Zealand.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I am a psychodramatist-in-training presently doing some post graduate
> > >> study
> > >> in Clinical Supervision (within a university psychotherapy department in
> > >> Auckland, New Zealand)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I am interested in any professional writing (published or unpublished!)
> > >> about the use of psychodrama and it's foundations in clinical 
> supervision
> > >> practice- particularly in the health/human services and about either
> > >> individual or group supervision or supervision/consultation of
> > >> teams/agencies/organisations.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I am aware only of Mike Consedine's (NZ) ANZPA thesis Utilization of 
> Role
> > >> Theory in Clinical Supervision (1998) and Anthony William's Visual and
> > >> Active Supervision- Roles Focus Techniques (1995) W.W. Norton.both
> > >> excellent
> > >> resources.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Any pointers gratefully received! (I only speak English so it would need
> > >> to
> > >> be in English or translated into English.)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Warmly,
> > >>
> > >> Martin Putt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Martin Putt
> > >>
> > >> (ANZPA, ANZATSA)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Phone 021 619 680
> > >>
> > >> _____
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:44:02 -0500
> > > From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> > > Subject: Theatre of the Oppressed
> > > To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
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> > > Are there any of you who are interested in Boal's Theatre of the 
> Oppressed
> > > and how it might be refined? I have someone more associated with the 
> drama
> > > therapy network, but who recognizes that this approaches also overlaps
> > > with sociodrama.
> > > Warmly,
> > > Adam Blatner, M.D.
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> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:04:29 +0930
> > > From: Effie Best <effieb at merlin.net.au>
> > > Subject: Re: Sociometry
> > > To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> > > Cc: Laure Gargano <lgargano at ptd.net>
> > > Message-ID: <C583826C-1931-4502-8F15-0C04D99FBCE0 at merlin.net.au>
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> > >
> > > Laure,
> > > You may be interested in the way Diana Jones in New Zealand uses
> > > sociometry in her work with organisations. Her website is at
> > > http://www.sociometry.co.nz/
> > >
> > > On 02/08/2008, at 2:08 AM, Adam Blatner wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Laure, (re "Laure Gargano" <lgargano at ptd.net> ) you asked,
> > >> on July 31, 2008 : I
> > >> am most curious how I can apply these methods to team build in a
> > >> clinical work
> > >> environment? I am hoping to gain a better understanding of the
> > >> existing relationships -
> > >> and attempt to correlate that into understanding the roles each of
> > >> the middle managers
> > >> play in our organizational structure.. .. Why would I want to
> > >> that??? Well - I want to
> > >> work toward creating an environment that accesses and promotes
> > >> individual creativity and
> > >> learn how to better access individual talents/creativity to benefit
> > >> each team. (there are
> > >> seven clinical teams, and then medical/physical plant has three
> > >> teams) I am equally
> > >> curious about utilizing role theory as a construct to engage in
> > >> clinical supervision with
> > >> the therapists and team supervisors. So any
> > >>> information any of you have to share - or articles to review I
> > >>> would greatly appreciate
> > >>> it!
> > >>
> > >> Adam: 1. First, curious is not a sufficient motive, because it
> > >> edges into wanting to
> > >> manipulate, or at least it may well be perceived as being that by
> > >> your work-colleagues!
> > >> Sociometry involves everyone involved pooling their subjective and
> > >> objective observations
> > >> and deciding together what to do about it!
> > >> 2. What have you read about sociometry? Have you read my paper
> > >> on tele on my
> > >> website? Other papers on sociometry? That's a warm-up. Also to get
> > >> Ann's book available
> > >> from the Toronto collective (last I heard).
> > >>
> > >> 3. Your interests, though, bring up a number of points to make:
> > >> a. The roles a middle manager may play---in terms of
> > >> work or task
> > >> description--- may not correlate well with the group roles that are
> > >> played, and these
> > >> psycho-social (not task) roles can operate in such a way as to
> > >> strengthen or weaken the
> > >> official roles.
> > >> How a given manager might see her role might differ from how
> > >> others perceive her!
> > >> It's really quite complex, sort of the
> > >> psychoanalysis of the
> > >> small-medium-sized group. All the expectations, conscious and
> > >> unconscious, all the
> > >> limitations of consciousness and efforts at consciousness-raising,
> > >> and so forth, all
> > >> relate to each other.
> > >>
> > >> b. Warming up the group to being interested in exploring
> > >> this arena takes a
> > >> lot of work and often is not possible. Who wants to examine such
> > >> things? It's only likely
> > >> to hurt your feelings, or so you might well think. What would make
> > >> you want to know rather
> > >> than prefer not to know? How confident are you that the process or
> > >> leader is likely to be
> > >> able to get past all sorts of asymmetric psychological and social
> > >> dynamics so that there's
> > >> enough of a good chance for a positive result and a high probability
> > >> that complications
> > >> won't be deeply emotionally costly. I'm pretty wary---I don't know
> > >> anyone who I would
> > >> trust to be able to intervene with, say, my community, in order to
> > >> be able tp deal the the
> > >> varieties of limited and low consciousness of people on various
> > >> committees, etc.
> > >>
> > >> In summary, I see sociometry as being a field that is being
> > >> practiced in smaller and
> > >> larger ways here and there, not much, and a field in need of a great
> > >> deal of refinement,
> > >> writing articles and papers, and so forth.
> > >> Don't get me wrong. While I have reservations about how mature
> > >> it is, I think the
> > >> general questions and arena of exploration involved in sociometry
> > >> are supremely relevant
> > >> to the advance of the psycho-social sciences and general
> > >> contemporary understanding. I
> > >> hope this is helpful. Warmly, Adam
> > >>
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