psychotherapy by telephone
Rosa Cukier
rosacukier at uol.com.br
Mon Aug 4 18:13:41 CDT 2008
Hy Adam and coleagues
I need some help around the issue of psychotherapy delivered by telephone
or internet.
a.. Do you know any reference of Moreno talking about delivering
therapy by telephone?
b.. Is there any article about psychodrama by telephone?
c.. Is it permitted by APAS law of ettics?
Thank you very much, it is a new subject in Brazil and I think that in
USA and Europe it is more discussed than here.
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> This has always been my interest in professional theater projects as well
> as
> psychodrama and drama therapy.
> My colleague and I created a 10 minute play called MOTHERBLOOD, an
> encounter
> between an Israeli Woman and a Palestinian woman, both of whom lost a
> child
> in the conflict. Within 10 minutes we have included both the major
> socio-political issues (on both sides) as well as the range of emotional
> expression
> between the two women. It is our belief that if Jerusalem, the so-called
> city of
> peace, perhaps the heart chakra of the world, which has been the seat of
> more bloodshed in the name of religion, could come to peace, then the
> ripples
> may be felt all over the world.
> When the play is over, we put the audience in groups and have them discuss
> the play and then envision the next scene toward peace. When appropriate,
> we
> have them improvise an enactment of that scene.
> Using a video of the performance, I presented this at the ASGPP conference
> in NY.
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> Hi to those of you writing about Janet,
> I am currently researching trauma and domestic violence and came across
> this reference which I have not had time to read due to deadlines realted
> to
> the research. here is something I found that may be of interest.
> a review and summary of Janet's work on psychological trauma:
> B. A. van de Kolk & O. van der Hart, "Pierre Janet and the Breakdown of
> Adaption in Psychological Trauma," American Journalof Psychiatry 146
> (1989):
> 1530-40
> Hope it's helpful.
> deborah karner
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>> Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
>> psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
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>> ==== ==== ==== ==== ====
>> Le 21 juil. 08 ? 04:10, PATRICIA DESERT a ?crit :
>>
>> Hi Anne--I have only done some reading of Janet because his writing,
>> like his contemporaries, is dense and convoluted in many areas, not
>> readily available, and the book was on loan to me for only a short
>> while some years ago. I don't even remember the title. I was
>> fascinated enough to read secondary sources that more easily helped
>> me understand what he did. And his findings on dissociation and
>> "hysteria" (now identified in the DSM-IV as DID, PTSD, personality
>> disorders, etc.) and his treatments using hypnosis are remarkable
>> and support a lot of what I have learned and do in psychodrama and in
>> my practice as a mind/body/spirit clinician that sees the affective
>> system as a critical structure to address in working with clients.
>>
>> Janet did not address the affective system directly but his work
>> recognized sensations as a very real part of consciousness that get
>> derailed by the dissociated process. And the affective system is
>> what I routinely address in psychodrama work. His concept of
>> "psychological force" is also a mainstay in my work and it directly
>> speaks to spontaneity and creativity as Moreno conceptualized in his
>> Canon of Creativity and throughout his writings.
>>
>> For example, Janet talked about the "reality connect"--using the
>> senses and the mind to be in the moment, free from anxious thoughts,
>> images, sensations, etc. and able to exercise sound judgment and make
>> accurate meaning out of our experience. As Moreno taught us,
>> experience enough anxiety and we will experience a disconnect from
>> our creativity. I see this in some ways as Janet's "reality
>> disconnect"--a loss of unity with body and mind.
>>
>> Also, Janet's concept of psychological force and psychological
>> tension he describes as the quantity of basic psychic energy
>> available to us and our capacity to use it. This is so basic
>> Morenian to me--as it precurses Moreno's ideas on spontaneity and
>> creativity. And I see this energy sabotaged over and over in clients
>> who become overwhelmed with emotion.
>>
>> And because I view emotion always as a feeling--after all we cannot
>> feel a thought right?--I immediately move into interventions that
>> help clients reconnect in safe, calming ways with their body. One of
>> the primary interventions I use to help clients become "reality
>> connected" or in Morenian language, reconnected with their
>> spontaneity, is the double and very specifically the TSM body double.
>>
>> Another intervention is the mirroring structure whereby the
>> protagonist sits off stage and
>> 1) puts into words the experience to be enacted,
>> 2) while doing so chooses auxiliaries and describes their role,
>> what to say, etc., and
>> 3) watches the enactment.
>> This is excellent for a dissociative client as I can titrate the
>> action in order to help the client remain present.
>> Once h/she can watch without dissociating h/she is ready to move
>> into the scene.
>> This intervention reflects a core capacity related to Janet's
>> "reality connect"
>> --the ability to experience a coherent narrative including effects of
>> the experience
>> while staying in the moment.
>>
>> Of course, psychodrama is a method that requires action that engages
>> all parts of self--mind, body, and spirit. Janet, again in what I
>> think was revolutionary for his time and unfortunately derailed by
>> Freud's psychoanalytic perspective, made no distinction between the
>> intellect, feelings, and what we actually do. He saw thought,
>> feelings, and behavior intimately interconnected with consciousness,
>> activity, and ideas --all that support a natural push to manifest and
>> expand or contract depending on who we are and what we have experienced.
>>
>> So movement is a key intervention I use. Anxiety in sufficient force
>> paralyze so I get the body moving in safe and supportive ways to
>> break the paralysis. When we move physical sensations are stimulated
>> and provide opportunities for clients to learn how to safely and
>> knowledgeably experience their bodies. Sometimes that happens through
>> a soft, fluffy pillow toss , other times through appropriate
>> laughter, and many times it is to use auxiliaries to personify a
>> client's inner reality in positive ways. Strengths building with
>> auxiliaries and then role reversing is a wonderful intervention.
>>
>> As I said Janet did not specifically study the affective system, but
>> his concept of dissociation certainly included an understanding that
>> sensation was a key component in feeling safe and thinking and acting
>> competently and effectively. I believe this is why his treatment
>> sessions often included painting or listening to music or sculpting.
>> I have used all these types of activities in my psychodrama workshops
>> and psychodrama a deux. They consistently reduce anxiety and
>> stimulate spontaneity and creativity.
>>
>> His interventions through hypnosis also give us profoundly effective
>> ideas for helping clients heal. And while I don't use hypnosis I
>> have applied his idea of using an altered state of consciousness in
>> other ways to help clients access their innate spontaneity and
>> creativity. They include creative visualization, mindful meditation
>> structures, affirmation tapes, stream of consciousness writing, etc.
>>
>> In some key respects I see Janet's work as a precursor to Moreno's
>> ideas. I just wonder if Moreno read his work and was inspired by
>> it. They seem so sympatico in some ways.
>>
>> Top of the evening to you Anne.
>> Thanks for asking. Patti
>>
>> Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
>> Singular Pathways
>> 208 East Melrose Avenue
>> Baltimore, MD 21212
>> Phone: 410.435.3755
>> Fax: 410.435.0547
>> www.singular-pathways.com
>> "from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
>> - - - - - - - -
>> From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
>> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
>> CC: Schutzenberger Anne <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>,LABAS Damien
>> <damienlabas at yahoo.fr>, Patti <HoneyBWomn at aol.com>,Leveton Eva
>> <eva at leveton.com>, BAIM Clark <cbaim at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
>> psychodrama (Anne)List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:17:30 +0200
>> Re: Patricia, do tell more about Piere Janet - a French
>> psychiatrist. (1859-1947) and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)-
>> List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
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>> Dear Patti
>>
>> Please,explain more what you take from Pierre Janet and his
>> "perspective and
>> theories on feelings." in your work -
>> What is it really - nobody explain it on grouptalk, not in real details-
>>
>> And I am very interrested, aspecially because I am working on a new book
>> and new research about what makes psychodrama such an unique
>> wonderfull but complex tool, -
>> -and what various influences we psychodramatists are under;
>> Freud, Janet, Foulkes, Bateson, etc..- or nonverbal communication
>> research -
>> or theater theories ...
>> warmly
>> best of best
>> anne
>> anne ancelin schutzenberger
>> Unjiversity Professor, PhD,TEP,group-anayse
>> transgenerational analyst
>> co-Founder abd actual honorzry archivist IAGP
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>> Message: 3 --- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:14 -0400
>> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
>> Subject: RE: Pierre Janet
>> To: adam at blatner.com, eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au, list at grouptalkweb.org
>>
>> I have read some of Janet's work and resonated with his perspective
>> antheories on feelings. I am interested in hearing from others who
>> may have read him and what they took away from it. Patti
>>
>> Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
>> Singular Pathways
>> 208 East Melrose Avenue
>> Baltimore, MD 21212
>> Phone: 410.435.3755
>> Fax: 410.435.0547
>> www.singular-pathways.com
>> "from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
>> ==
>> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
>> Reply-To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
>> To: "Neil Hucker" <eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au>,<list at grouptalkweb.org>
>> Subject: Pierre Janet
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:35 -0500
>>
>> Dear Neil, thanks for bringing up the name of Pierre Janet. Googling him
>> brings up 184,000 hits! He's an important and under-estimated
>> thinker who
>> has insights that challenged some of Freud's---perhaps explaining
>> why his
>> work was not fully appreciated during the hegemony of psychoanalysis---a
>> hegemony that tended to also devalue the many insights of others,
>> such as
>> Adler or Jung (who were characterized by the mainstream as merely
>> disaffected former disciples with a father complex rather than mature
>> colleagues with independent and often valid insights), Assagioli
>> (psychosynthesis), Reich, Adolf Meyer, Janet, and so forth.
>> So far I haven't heard of anyone who has investigated common
>> themes. I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting that Moreno knew
>> much ifanything about Janet's work. How is it you have become
>> interested? Perhaps you might help us enrich our work by noting
>> some arenas where Janet's
>> insights might be helpful in our own theory development and practice.
>> (And of course I too would be interested if Anne knows of any
>> overlap in the French psychological literature.)
>> Warmly, Adam
>> - - - -
>> -- Original Message -- From: Neil Hucker
>> To: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger ; list at grouptalkweb.org
>> Cc: Schutzenberger Anne ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:39 AM
>> Subject::reaction to Anath & Anna Schaum -subtle opression /
>> ListDigest, Vol 25, Issue 18
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>> Dear Anne, this is Neil Hucker in Melbourne Australia. I am a
>> psychiatrist psychodramatist and I briefly met you in Melbourne when you
>> were at the PIM conference.
>> I would like to know whether you have any knowledge about Piere
>> Janet a
>> French psychiatrist. (1859-1947) In particulat whether there has
>> been any
>> integration of Janet's theory and psychodrama in France.
>> regards
>> Neil
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>> From: "martinputt" <martinputt at orcon.net.nz>
>> Subject: psychodrama and clinical supervision
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>> Dear All
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>> Hi to all from New Zealand.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a psychodramatist-in-training presently doing some post graduate
>> study
>> in Clinical Supervision (within a university psychotherapy department in
>> Auckland, New Zealand)
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in any professional writing (published or unpublished!)
>> about the use of psychodrama and it's foundations in clinical supervision
>> practice- particularly in the health/human services and about either
>> individual or group supervision or supervision/consultation of
>> teams/agencies/organisations.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am aware only of Mike Consedine's (NZ) ANZPA thesis Utilization of Role
>> Theory in Clinical Supervision (1998) and Anthony William's Visual and
>> Active Supervision- Roles Focus Techniques (1995) W.W. Norton.both
>> excellent
>> resources.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any pointers gratefully received! (I only speak English so it would need
>> to
>> be in English or translated into English.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Warmly,
>>
>> Martin Putt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin Putt
>>
>> (ANZPA, ANZATSA)
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>>
>> Phone 021 619 680
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> Are there any of you who are interested in Boal's Theatre of the Oppressed
> and how it might be refined? I have someone more associated with the drama
> therapy network, but who recognizes that this approaches also overlaps
> with sociodrama.
> Warmly,
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> From: Effie Best <effieb at merlin.net.au>
> Subject: Re: Sociometry
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
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> Laure,
> You may be interested in the way Diana Jones in New Zealand uses
> sociometry in her work with organisations. Her website is at
> http://www.sociometry.co.nz/
>
> On 02/08/2008, at 2:08 AM, Adam Blatner wrote:
>
>> Dear Laure, (re "Laure Gargano" <lgargano at ptd.net> ) you asked,
>> on July 31, 2008 : I
>> am most curious how I can apply these methods to team build in a
>> clinical work
>> environment? I am hoping to gain a better understanding of the
>> existing relationships -
>> and attempt to correlate that into understanding the roles each of
>> the middle managers
>> play in our organizational structure.. .. Why would I want to
>> that??? Well - I want to
>> work toward creating an environment that accesses and promotes
>> individual creativity and
>> learn how to better access individual talents/creativity to benefit
>> each team. (there are
>> seven clinical teams, and then medical/physical plant has three
>> teams) I am equally
>> curious about utilizing role theory as a construct to engage in
>> clinical supervision with
>> the therapists and team supervisors. So any
>>> information any of you have to share - or articles to review I
>>> would greatly appreciate
>>> it!
>>
>> Adam: 1. First, curious is not a sufficient motive, because it
>> edges into wanting to
>> manipulate, or at least it may well be perceived as being that by
>> your work-colleagues!
>> Sociometry involves everyone involved pooling their subjective and
>> objective observations
>> and deciding together what to do about it!
>> 2. What have you read about sociometry? Have you read my paper
>> on tele on my
>> website? Other papers on sociometry? That's a warm-up. Also to get
>> Ann's book available
>> from the Toronto collective (last I heard).
>>
>> 3. Your interests, though, bring up a number of points to make:
>> a. The roles a middle manager may play---in terms of
>> work or task
>> description--- may not correlate well with the group roles that are
>> played, and these
>> psycho-social (not task) roles can operate in such a way as to
>> strengthen or weaken the
>> official roles.
>> How a given manager might see her role might differ from how
>> others perceive her!
>> It's really quite complex, sort of the
>> psychoanalysis of the
>> small-medium-sized group. All the expectations, conscious and
>> unconscious, all the
>> limitations of consciousness and efforts at consciousness-raising,
>> and so forth, all
>> relate to each other.
>>
>> b. Warming up the group to being interested in exploring
>> this arena takes a
>> lot of work and often is not possible. Who wants to examine such
>> things? It's only likely
>> to hurt your feelings, or so you might well think. What would make
>> you want to know rather
>> than prefer not to know? How confident are you that the process or
>> leader is likely to be
>> able to get past all sorts of asymmetric psychological and social
>> dynamics so that there's
>> enough of a good chance for a positive result and a high probability
>> that complications
>> won't be deeply emotionally costly. I'm pretty wary---I don't know
>> anyone who I would
>> trust to be able to intervene with, say, my community, in order to
>> be able tp deal the the
>> varieties of limited and low consciousness of people on various
>> committees, etc.
>>
>> In summary, I see sociometry as being a field that is being
>> practiced in smaller and
>> larger ways here and there, not much, and a field in need of a great
>> deal of refinement,
>> writing articles and papers, and so forth.
>> Don't get me wrong. While I have reservations about how mature
>> it is, I think the
>> general questions and arena of exploration involved in sociometry
>> are supremely relevant
>> to the advance of the psycho-social sciences and general
>> contemporary understanding. I
>> hope this is helpful. Warmly, Adam
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