List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 31 Janet
Deborah Karner
deborah.karner at rcn.com
Fri Aug 1 12:51:32 CDT 2008
Hi to those of you writing about Janet,
I am currently researching trauma and domestic violence and came across
this reference which I have not had time to read due to deadlines realted to
the research. here is something I found that may be of interest.
a review and summary of Janet's work on psychological trauma:
B. A. van de Kolk & O. van der Hart, "Pierre Janet and the Breakdown of
Adaption in Psychological Trauma," American Journalof Psychiatry 146 (1989):
1530-40
Hope it's helpful.
deborah karner
----- Original Message -----
From: <list-request at grouptalkweb.org>
To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 31
> Send List mailing list submissions to
> list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> list-request at grouptalkweb.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> list-owner at grouptalkweb.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of List digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Thanks: Patricia, tells more about Janet and how you use it
> for psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> (Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger)
> 2. psychodrama and clinical supervision (martinputt)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:07 +0200
> From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> Subject: Thanks: Patricia, tells more about Janet and how you use it
> for psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> To: PATRICIA DESERT <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> Cc: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>,
> list at grouptalkweb.org, damienlabas at yahoo.fr, HoneyBWomn at aol.com,
> eva at leveton.com, cbaim at hotmail.com
> Message-ID: <CF9008BD-C949-42E4-8F5B-A95FD2D0A675 at wanadoo.fr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
> psychodrama (Anne)-List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
>
>
>
> ==== ==== ==== ==== ====
> Le 21 juil. 08 ? 04:10, PATRICIA DESERT a ?crit :
>
> Hi Anne--I have only done some reading of Janet because his writing,
> like his contemporaries, is dense and convoluted in many areas, not
> readily available, and the book was on loan to me for only a short
> while some years ago. I don't even remember the title. I was
> fascinated enough to read secondary sources that more easily helped
> me understand what he did. And his findings on dissociation and
> "hysteria" (now identified in the DSM-IV as DID, PTSD, personality
> disorders, etc.) and his treatments using hypnosis are remarkable
> and support a lot of what I have learned and do in psychodrama and in
> my practice as a mind/body/spirit clinician that sees the affective
> system as a critical structure to address in working with clients.
>
> Janet did not address the affective system directly but his work
> recognized sensations as a very real part of consciousness that get
> derailed by the dissociated process. And the affective system is
> what I routinely address in psychodrama work. His concept of
> "psychological force" is also a mainstay in my work and it directly
> speaks to spontaneity and creativity as Moreno conceptualized in his
> Canon of Creativity and throughout his writings.
>
> For example, Janet talked about the "reality connect"--using the
> senses and the mind to be in the moment, free from anxious thoughts,
> images, sensations, etc. and able to exercise sound judgment and make
> accurate meaning out of our experience. As Moreno taught us,
> experience enough anxiety and we will experience a disconnect from
> our creativity. I see this in some ways as Janet's "reality
> disconnect"--a loss of unity with body and mind.
>
> Also, Janet's concept of psychological force and psychological
> tension he describes as the quantity of basic psychic energy
> available to us and our capacity to use it. This is so basic
> Morenian to me--as it precurses Moreno's ideas on spontaneity and
> creativity. And I see this energy sabotaged over and over in clients
> who become overwhelmed with emotion.
>
> And because I view emotion always as a feeling--after all we cannot
> feel a thought right?--I immediately move into interventions that
> help clients reconnect in safe, calming ways with their body. One of
> the primary interventions I use to help clients become "reality
> connected" or in Morenian language, reconnected with their
> spontaneity, is the double and very specifically the TSM body double.
>
> Another intervention is the mirroring structure whereby the
> protagonist sits off stage and
> 1) puts into words the experience to be enacted,
> 2) while doing so chooses auxiliaries and describes their role,
> what to say, etc., and
> 3) watches the enactment.
> This is excellent for a dissociative client as I can titrate the
> action in order to help the client remain present.
> Once h/she can watch without dissociating h/she is ready to move
> into the scene.
> This intervention reflects a core capacity related to Janet's
> "reality connect"
> --the ability to experience a coherent narrative including effects of
> the experience
> while staying in the moment.
>
> Of course, psychodrama is a method that requires action that engages
> all parts of self--mind, body, and spirit. Janet, again in what I
> think was revolutionary for his time and unfortunately derailed by
> Freud's psychoanalytic perspective, made no distinction between the
> intellect, feelings, and what we actually do. He saw thought,
> feelings, and behavior intimately interconnected with consciousness,
> activity, and ideas --all that support a natural push to manifest and
> expand or contract depending on who we are and what we have experienced.
>
> So movement is a key intervention I use. Anxiety in sufficient force
> paralyze so I get the body moving in safe and supportive ways to
> break the paralysis. When we move physical sensations are stimulated
> and provide opportunities for clients to learn how to safely and
> knowledgeably experience their bodies. Sometimes that happens through
> a soft, fluffy pillow toss , other times through appropriate
> laughter, and many times it is to use auxiliaries to personify a
> client's inner reality in positive ways. Strengths building with
> auxiliaries and then role reversing is a wonderful intervention.
>
> As I said Janet did not specifically study the affective system, but
> his concept of dissociation certainly included an understanding that
> sensation was a key component in feeling safe and thinking and acting
> competently and effectively. I believe this is why his treatment
> sessions often included painting or listening to music or sculpting.
> I have used all these types of activities in my psychodrama workshops
> and psychodrama a deux. They consistently reduce anxiety and
> stimulate spontaneity and creativity.
>
> His interventions through hypnosis also give us profoundly effective
> ideas for helping clients heal. And while I don't use hypnosis I
> have applied his idea of using an altered state of consciousness in
> other ways to help clients access their innate spontaneity and
> creativity. They include creative visualization, mindful meditation
> structures, affirmation tapes, stream of consciousness writing, etc.
>
> In some key respects I see Janet's work as a precursor to Moreno's
> ideas. I just wonder if Moreno read his work and was inspired by
> it. They seem so sympatico in some ways.
>
> Top of the evening to you Anne.
> Thanks for asking. Patti
>
> Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
> Singular Pathways
> 208 East Melrose Avenue
> Baltimore, MD 21212
> Phone: 410.435.3755
> Fax: 410.435.0547
> www.singular-pathways.com
> "from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
> - - - - - - - -
> From: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>
> To: list at grouptalkweb.org
> CC: Schutzenberger Anne <anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr>,LABAS Damien
> <damienlabas at yahoo.fr>, Patti <HoneyBWomn at aol.com>,Leveton Eva
> <eva at leveton.com>, BAIM Clark <cbaim at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Patricia,do tell more about Janet and how you use it for
> psychodrama (Anne)List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:17:30 +0200
> Re: Patricia, do tell more about Piere Janet - a French
> psychiatrist. (1859-1947) and how you use it for psychodrama (Anne)-
> List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 22
>
> Dear Patti
>
> Please,explain more what you take from Pierre Janet and his
> "perspective and
> theories on feelings." in your work -
> What is it really - nobody explain it on grouptalk, not in real details-
>
> And I am very interrested, aspecially because I am working on a new book
> and new research about what makes psychodrama such an unique
> wonderfull but complex tool, -
> -and what various influences we psychodramatists are under;
> Freud, Janet, Foulkes, Bateson, etc..- or nonverbal communication
> research -
> or theater theories ...
> warmly
> best of best
> anne
> anne ancelin schutzenberger
> Unjiversity Professor, PhD,TEP,group-anayse
> transgenerational analyst
> co-Founder abd actual honorzry archivist IAGP
> -------------------------------------------------------
> anne.schutzenberger at wanadoo.fr
> http://www.psychogenealogie.name
> ====== ======
> Le 19 juil. 08 ? 19:00, list-request at grouptalkweb.org a ?crit :
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of List digest..."
> Today's Topics:
> 1. RE: Subtle oppression anecdote (T. Treadwell)
> 2. RE: Psychodrama Business (PATRICIA DESERT)
> 3. RE: Pierre Janet (PATRICIA DESERT)
> --------------------------
> Message: 3 --- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:23:14 -0400
> From: "PATRICIA DESERT" <honeybwomn at msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Pierre Janet
> To: adam at blatner.com, eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au, list at grouptalkweb.org
>
> I have read some of Janet's work and resonated with his perspective
> antheories on feelings. I am interested in hearing from others who
> may have read him and what they took away from it. Patti
>
> Patti Desert, LCSW-C, CEMDR, CP
> Singular Pathways
> 208 East Melrose Avenue
> Baltimore, MD 21212
> Phone: 410.435.3755
> Fax: 410.435.0547
> www.singular-pathways.com
> "from fears and tears to confidence and joy"
> ==
> From: "Adam Blatner" <ablatner at verizon.net>
> Reply-To: Adam Blatner <adam at blatner.com>
> To: "Neil Hucker" <eddy1 at labyrinth.net.au>,<list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Subject: Pierre Janet
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:35 -0500
>
> Dear Neil, thanks for bringing up the name of Pierre Janet. Googling him
> brings up 184,000 hits! He's an important and under-estimated
> thinker who
> has insights that challenged some of Freud's---perhaps explaining
> why his
> work was not fully appreciated during the hegemony of psychoanalysis---a
> hegemony that tended to also devalue the many insights of others,
> such as
> Adler or Jung (who were characterized by the mainstream as merely
> disaffected former disciples with a father complex rather than mature
> colleagues with independent and often valid insights), Assagioli
> (psychosynthesis), Reich, Adolf Meyer, Janet, and so forth.
> So far I haven't heard of anyone who has investigated common
> themes. I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting that Moreno knew
> much ifanything about Janet's work. How is it you have become
> interested? Perhaps you might help us enrich our work by noting
> some arenas where Janet's
> insights might be helpful in our own theory development and practice.
> (And of course I too would be interested if Anne knows of any
> overlap in the French psychological literature.)
> Warmly, Adam
> - - - -
> -- Original Message -- From: Neil Hucker
> To: Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger ; list at grouptalkweb.org
> Cc: Schutzenberger Anne ; Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:39 AM
> Subject::reaction to Anath & Anna Schaum -subtle opression /
> ListDigest, Vol 25, Issue 18
>
> Dear Anne, this is Neil Hucker in Melbourne Australia. I am a
> psychiatrist psychodramatist and I briefly met you in Melbourne when you
> were at the PIM conference.
> I would like to know whether you have any knowledge about Piere
> Janet a
> French psychiatrist. (1859-1947) In particulat whether there has
> been any
> integration of Janet's theory and psychodrama in France.
> regards
> Neil
> ___
> ************************************
> - Some news from Anne Ancelin Schutzenberger (Paris and Argentiere)
> Good long French summer holidays in French Alps
> Argentiere-Chamonix-Mont-Blanc (Hte Savoie) France-
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://grouptalkweb.org/pipermail/list_grouptalkweb.org/attachments/20080729/1c520b16/attachment-0001.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:46:25 +1200
> From: "martinputt" <martinputt at orcon.net.nz>
> Subject: psychodrama and clinical supervision
> To: <list at grouptalkweb.org>
> Message-ID: <E1KNnhM-0000g3-Im at mx7.orcon.net.nz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear All
>
> Hi to all from New Zealand.
>
>
>
> I am a psychodramatist-in-training presently doing some post graduate
> study
> in Clinical Supervision (within a university psychotherapy department in
> Auckland, New Zealand)
>
>
>
> I am interested in any professional writing (published or unpublished!)
> about the use of psychodrama and it's foundations in clinical supervision
> practice- particularly in the health/human services and about either
> individual or group supervision or supervision/consultation of
> teams/agencies/organisations.
>
>
>
> I am aware only of Mike Consedine's (NZ) ANZPA thesis Utilization of Role
> Theory in Clinical Supervision (1998) and Anthony William's Visual and
> Active Supervision- Roles Focus Techniques (1995) W.W. Norton.both
> excellent
> resources.
>
>
>
> Any pointers gratefully received! (I only speak English so it would need
> to
> be in English or translated into English.)
>
>
>
> Warmly,
>
> Martin Putt
>
>
>
>
>
> Martin Putt
>
> (ANZPA, ANZATSA)
>
>
>
> Phone 021 619 680
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://grouptalkweb.org/pipermail/list_grouptalkweb.org/attachments/20080729/cc0ffdea/attachment-0001.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Grouptalk mailing list
> List at grouptalkweb.org
> http://grouptalkweb.org/mailman/listinfo/list_grouptalkweb.org
>
>
>
> End of List Digest, Vol 25, Issue 31
> ************************************
>
More information about the List
mailing list